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Military service, and your thoughts on why you served your country!

I joined up as a 'Junior Leader' straight after leaving school at 16 and joined the 17th/21st Lancers just before they amalgamated with the 16th/5th The Queen's Royal Lancers to form the Queen's Royal Lancers in 1993. I only served one full tour with them in 2003. - Al Basrah in Iraq. I spent most of my time on base.

I joined up as there wasn't many opportunities for young lads back in the very early 90s and didn't fancy staying on at school for the 6th form, or going to College. As I saw it, if I joined up as a Junior Leader I would gain better qualifications, learn new skills and get paid. As it turned out, after serving 25 years, I retired at the age of 42 with my house fully paid off and a decent wedge of money in the bank. Some of my school friends are still renting!

My Grandfather was in the Royal Navy during WW2 escorting Merchant Navy ships from America to Liverpool (where he eventually met, and then married, my Grandmother). My father was a butcher and had no inclination of joining the armed forces.

That's awesome fella. A lot of my civi friends are like that also, I was hopeless with money until I met my wife, then I really screwed the nut, and now I'm in a position like you.
 
So as most know I have served my country in the Army, And I often get asked why did you join. Which requires a usual in-depth response that I typically can't be fucked talking about.

I've always been a fighter in my youth, always getting into trouble. Especially after I lost my first child.... Off the rails for years. My upbringing was always drilled into me, serve your country, do not have your country serve you!

I have a long line of family that have served in many wars. From great-great-grandfather, grandfather, missed a generation, uncles, cousins and myself have all served.

The saying always stuck with me, serve your country! In my mind there is no greater honour than serving your country, (regardless of the situations you get thrust into) I don;t want to go into the politicking regarding "shouldn't be there" “government pawn” all that jazzz hands bullshit, said by 140lb soaking wet shitcunts. Who would shit their pants if they had to do anything hard, the same ppl probably drink oat milk skinny mocha choca lattes with rainbow fgt sprinkles on them. Nobody wants to hear your inane shit pipe flapping.

Do you or your family have any history in the services?
Do you mind sharing?

So here is a picture of my grandfather, in 1942, and also in 1947 in Palestine war, (cracking jews heads) this was when Israel was founded, there about.


He was my role model until he died again around the same time i lost my 6-month-old son.......it was a month later he passed. Now i have detractors and some may even call me a cunt, Well deserved, I own it. But what i was good at was fighting and being a solider. I apparently craved discipline and routine, i still do to this day. The Army provided it and made me a better human (some may disagree, but some don't know me) 1 person here truly knows me......

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My grandfather after the Army joined the police and finished chief constable, then onto mountain rescue until he could no longer keep up......He did bag pipe for Royalty at Glamis castle after all that.........He was a very talented musician, right up until months before he passed away.......

A thing that always sticks in my mind.........to paraphrase George Orwell......We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm!

What service does your family give for your country? I'd love to hear. I love history and i love the interactions people have with others and their stories.
Many of the same reasons you did, I was a scrapper in my younger years. I wrestled in high school and a recruiter for the Marine Corps got me with the ol' "if I can do more push ups than you, you gotta give me ten minutes of your time". The city I grew up in offers little to no opportunities for a young man unless you want to gangbang or sell drugs for a living. Also, seeing 9/11 happen live, I figured since my family came to America for opportunity, I didn't want to waste it so, what better way than to serve your country. Semper Fi. Much love brother.
 
At least the no2’s weren’t as itchy as the battledress shirts we wore, they were horrible woollen shite

Yea, look at my grandads shirt in that last pic.
 
Indeed.

Would I promote the army life to my son? I honestly don't know.......it's a hard thing to decide on. My wife says no, because she has seen what it done to me when I came out......
I did with my son but that was back in 2007 , I can say he went in as a.boy and came out a man 👍 I'm not so sure about the impact on his life today's military will have on him
 
Many of the same reasons you did, I was a scrapper in my younger years. I wrestled in high school and a recruiter for the Marine Corps got me with the ol' "if I can do more push ups than you, you gotta give me ten minutes of your time". The city I grew up in offers little to no opportunities for a young man unless you want to gangbang or sell drugs for a living. Also, seeing 9/11 happen live, I figured since my family came to America for opportunity, I didn't want to waste it so, what better way than to serve your country. Semper Fi. Much love brother.

I've seen some of your pics, and we have chatted about this before, glad you showed up.


I did with my son but that was back in 2007 , I can say he went in as a.boy and came out a man 👍 I'm not so sure about the impact on his life today's military will have on him

It's a subject I float with him, but he's young. At the moment, he's happy focusing on his Kickboxing.
 
I was inspired at an early age and wanted nothing more than to join the Military. Our family had relatives who served in World War 2 in the Army, my Grandmother was a shop worker who made B-17s. My Step-Grandpa was in the Navy as a LST operator/pilot
My Oldest Uncle was a Drill Sergeant and served sometime around the Korean war and Vietnam not sure of the details.
My Dad was in the Navy on an Aircraft carrier that deployed in the early Vietnam War he had a few stories but did not talk much about what he did.
My Uncle was in the 1st Air Cav in Vietnam did three tours, numerous awards/medals, killed a shit-ton of gooks from the air and ground. Ironically the nicest most peaceful guy out of all my Dad's brothers.
My uncle on my Mother's side was a tanker and trained at Ft Knox with the M-60 during the Cold War.

So when I took interest my Dad tried to talk me into the Navy and tried hard gave me posters and photos and what not. But While I liked the Navy and Airforce I really only wanted to be in the Army. I learned to shoot at a very early age and was rather good at it. Took to firearms well and had a solid interest. Had a mechanical and electronic interest and read a lot of books on the military. Did four years of ROTC and three on the Rifle team.

Did four years in the 25th ID going to guam, Okinawa, JRTOC and Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti
Came back home and did four more years in the 265th ADA as a Avenger crewmemeber
 
That was a good story... Thank you for kicking some Jewish ass in quote unquote Israel (Palestine). I gotta say I respect you for it (even though we would most likely end up in a bar fight at the pub after about only an hour of talking politics while drinking, haha.. slainte'🍻).
Now to answer your questions... Me and my family on both sides have a very long line of military service. Starting off with me, I pre-enlisted for the USMC at the age of 17 and shipped out to boot camp at MCRD San Diego 2 days after my 18th birthday back in 2008. After that I completed SOI at Camp Pendleton. My MOS was 0311 Infantry. During my time we were at war with Afghanistan and still had troops in Iraq.
My pops was drafted into the US Army to serve in Vietnam. He was a Communications Specialist during the years of 1966 and 1967.
My dad's father was not in the military during WW2 but worked in a ammunition factory for the war effort. My dad's mother gave birth to him during the war in 1943. Also during this time my mother's uncle was a pilot in the Italian military. His plane was shot down defending Sicily by the British.
My grandpa's brother was in the US Army. He fought and died during WW1 in 1917 on the plains of France. His body was blown to pieces by artillery. My mother's side also had a relative in the Italian military during WW1. He survived but not much more is known.
My dad's side immigrated to America from Ireland shortly after The Great Potato Famin. His great grandfather served in the civil war for the Irish Brigade, NYC Regiment. He survived the war and participated in some minor conflicts in the New York State Militia.
Ever since I could remember I was completely obsessed with history, war, and becoming a soldier. My pops would tell me of our families service and that was all I wanted to do, until I became a early teenager. My ambitions changed at that point and I started hating the government and especially LAW enforcement. Even though I started working legitimate jobs from 14 years old and on, I got heavily involved in organized crime. Primarily drug/weapon/human trafficking, fencing, and debt collecting. I didn't care about myself or what happened to me, but I saw what it did to my mother. She watched on as close friends of mine that she damn near considered her own children died and received double digit sentences down state. And I watched on as the DEA and tactical gang units destroyed the house she worked 2 jobs 7 days a week for, because of me. She was always accepting and lenient about it all but scared of the extent it went to. So one day a buddy of mine was talking to a recruiter and he gave me a business card. Even though I couldn't stand any type of authority and constantly contemplated suicide, I decided I would bite my lip, do my 4years, get out and live a normal life doing construction.

That was a good story... Thank you for kicking some Jewish ass in quote unquote Israel (Palestine). I gotta say I respect you for it (even though we would most likely end up in a bar fight at the pub after about only an hour of talking politics while drinking, haha.. slainte'🍻).
Now to answer your questions... Me and my family on both sides have a very long line of military service. Starting off with me, I pre-enlisted for the USMC at the age of 17 and shipped out to boot camp at MCRD San Diego 2 days after my 18th birthday back in 2008. After that I completed SOI at Camp Pendleton. My MOS was 0311 Infantry. During my time we were at war with Afghanistan and still had troops in Iraq.
My pops was drafted into the US Army to serve in Vietnam. He was a Communications Specialist during the years of 1966 and 1967.
My dad's father was not in the military during WW2 but worked in a ammunition factory for the war effort. My dad's mother gave birth to him during the war in 1943. Also during this time my mother's uncle was a pilot in the Italian military. His plane was shot down defending Sicily by the British.
My grandpa's brother was in the US Army. He fought and died during WW1 in 1917 on the plains of France. His body was blown to pieces by artillery. My mother's side also had a relative in the Italian military during WW1. He survived but not much more is known.
My dad's side immigrated to America from Ireland shortly after The Great Potato Famin. His great grandfather served in the civil war for the Irish Brigade, NYC Regiment. He survived the war and participated in some minor conflicts in the New York State Militia.
Ever since I could remember I was completely obsessed with history, war, and becoming a soldier. My pops would tell me of our families service and that was all I wanted to do, until I became a early teenager. My ambitions changed at that point and I started hating the government and especially LAW enforcement. Even though I started working legitimate jobs from 14 years old and on, I got heavily involved in organized crime. Primarily drug/weapon/human trafficking, fencing, and debt collecting. I didn't care about myself or what happened to me, but I saw what it did to my mother. She watched on as close friends of mine that she damn near considered her own children died and received double digit sentences down state. And I watched on as the DEA and tactical gang units destroyed the house she worked 2 jobs 7 days a week for, because of me. She was always accepting and lenient about it all but scared of the extent it went to. So one day a buddy of mine was talking to a recruiter and he gave me a business card. Even though I couldn't stand any type of authority and constantly contemplated suicide, I decided I would bite my lip, do my 4years, get out and live a normal life doing construction.
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Me hugging my mother on leave shortly after boot camp.

My great grandad fought at the battle of the Somme in WW1
My grandad was with the ‘Ox and Bucks light infantry’ and glider landed to capture the Pegasus bridge.
My dad served in Northern Ireland
I served with the Royal Engineers in Iraq,Bosnia,Sierra Leone and Northern Ireland.
Gotta respect all that, except MAYBE Northern Ireland. Does that mean you fought the IRA?

I was going to join the army here in the US like my mom and her dad and so on. Unfortunately a year before I was about to enlist they went full LGBTQ woke. I would be court martialed so fast it’s not even funny. They have to ask for your pronouns and shit. 🤦‍♂️🤣
Who cares... just sounds like an excuse to me.

Were you a pad brat?

I've met a few in my time, and one female pad brat on here.

My other grandfather was a Sub Mariner. He was absolutely bonkers mad. lol My earliest memory of him was when a bunch of kids at school stole my doc martin shoe, and i had to walk home with no shoes. He marched me to the playing fields and told me, go batter the one that took your shoe, or i'll batter you!

So off i went and kick the kid in the balls and began wailing on him, obviously i got the shit kicked out me by 5 kids lol but when i came back he said good lad, and that was that. He taught me a valuable lesson in life. Bullies don't like being punched hard in the nose.

And not to ever fuck with my grandfather.

I have a pic somewhere of when he was younger, he was hard asf.
Sounds like he was a good man

Yeah, my Nan was the one who died daughter and her “dad” (they told everyone the brother who lived died) never treated her like the other kids

I remember getting busted (2 stripes) for making a rocket launcher out of a used LAW and a few fireworks 😂🤣😂,

Got a promotion for being a marksman tho, but I think that was because you couldn’t join the team as a lance corporal, was still the lowest rank there tho 😂🤷‍
Rank don't mean much. The guys in infantry barely make it to E-3 Lance Corporal, even though we the ones taking heavy casualties. While pencil pushers and all that other bs move upwards of E-5 Sergeant. Shit... I was discharged as a E-2 PFC, but that's because I got NJPd for going UA for 3weeks.

Indeed.

Would I promote the army life to my son? I honestly don't know.......it's a hard thing to decide on. My wife says no, because she has seen what it done to me when I came out......
I wouldn't, unless I knew for sure he was right for it and that he is 100% aware of what he's getting himself into. But even then I don't know cuz I really don't trust my government at all.

Many of the same reasons you did, I was a scrapper in my younger years. I wrestled in high school and a recruiter for the Marine Corps got me with the ol' "if I can do more push ups than you, you gotta give me ten minutes of your time". The city I grew up in offers little to no opportunities for a young man unless you want to gangbang or sell drugs for a living. Also, seeing 9/11 happen live, I figured since my family came to America for opportunity, I didn't want to waste it so, what better way than to serve your country. Semper Fi. Much love brother.
Sounds like we have a similar background
 
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My question is, If you were given orders to shoot civilians of your own country during a civil unrest situation.. protesting over a Covid type lockdown / protesting against a corrupt politician ect.. would you do it?
Absolutely not. I had a lot of conflicting beliefs when I signed up as it was. Honestly I also had a lot of regrets too. I even frequently daydreamed of a military coup that could demolish our government so we could scrap and rebuild something better than this bullshit that we have. But most of the people are such brainwashed sheep and gung-ho ready to do ANYTHING their told in the drop of a dime. Honestly I never cringed so much in my entire life than I did during my service. But then there's those guys that are way more down to earth and they become your brothers. And you all make a pact that we just gana get thru this contract alive and move on with our life. So you just do what you gotta do to protect those few brothers next to you.
 
That was a good story... Thank you for kicking some Jewish ass in quote unquote Israel (Palestine). I gotta say I respect you for it (even though we would most likely end up in a bar fight at the pub after about only an hour of talking politics while drinking, haha.. slainte'🍻).
Now to answer your questions... Me and my family on both sides have a very long line of military service. Starting off with me, I pre-enlisted for the USMC at the age of 17 and shipped out to boot camp at MCRD San Diego 2 days after my 18th birthday back in 2008. After that I completed SOI at Camp Pendleton. My MOS was 0311 Infantry. During my time we were at war with Afghanistan and still had troops in Iraq.
My pops was drafted into the US Army to serve in Vietnam. He was a Communications Specialist during the years of 1966 and 1967.
My dad's father was not in the military during WW2 but worked in a ammunition factory for the war effort. My dad's mother gave birth to him during the war in 1943. Also during this time my mother's uncle was a pilot in the Italian military. His plane was shot down defending Sicily by the British.
My grandpa's brother was in the US Army. He fought and died during WW1 in 1917 on the plains of France. His body was blown to pieces by artillery. My mother's side also had a relative in the Italian military during WW1. He survived but not much more is known.
My dad's side immigrated to America from Ireland shortly after The Great Potato Famin. His great grandfather served in the civil war for the Irish Brigade, NYC Regiment. He survived the war and participated in some minor conflicts in the New York State Militia.
Ever since I could remember I was completely obsessed with history, war, and becoming a soldier. My pops would tell me of our families service and that was all I wanted to do, until I became a early teenager. My ambitions changed at that point and I started hating the government and especially LAW enforcement. Even though I started working legitimate jobs from 14 years old and on, I got heavily involved in organized crime. Primarily drug/weapon/human trafficking, fencing, and debt collecting. I didn't care about myself or what happened to me, but I saw what it did to my mother. She watched on as close friends of mine that she damn near considered her own children died and received double digit sentences down state. And I watched on as the DEA and tactical gang units destroyed the house she worked 2 jobs 7 days a week for, because of me. She was always accepting and lenient about it all but scared of the extent it went to. So one day a buddy of mine was talking to a recruiter and he gave me a business card. Even though I couldn't stand any type of authority and constantly contemplated suicide, I decided I would bite my lip, do my 4years, get out and live a normal life doing construction.


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Me hugging my mother on leave shortly after boot camp.


Gotta respect all that, except MAYBE Northern Ireland. Does that mean you fought the IRA?


Who cares... just sounds like an excuse to me.


Sounds like he was a good man


Rank don't mean much. The guys in infantry barely make it to E-3 Lance Corporal, even though we the ones taking heavy casualties. While pencil pushers and all that other bs move upwards of E-5 Sergeant. Shit... I was discharged as a E-2 PFC, but that's because I got NJPd for going UA for 3weeks.


I wouldn't, unless I knew for sure he was right for it and that he is 100% aware of what he's getting himself into. But even then I don't know cuz I really don't trust my government at all.


Sounds like we have a similar background
Semper Fi brother 💪🏽
 
I tried to join at 18 and at the time I was serving a shipyard apprenticeship. I failed a medical because of my feet which I don't understand as I was a lot fitter than most and was always in the gym or running and cycling. I did go to Afghanistan as an MoD civilian doing two stints of one year at a time and was surprised to see that only around 2,000 of the nearly 12,000 soldiers there ever went out the wire, the same 2,000 were more or less rotated. A lot of my family served through the years and I remember as a young boy seeing my great Uncle a lot he was a sorry state by then as he was machine gunned while fighting in the trenches in WW1 but survived but was partly disabled, he had a son who also served.
 
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