357 Opens Her Head

Is This a Murder or a Suicide?


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urbanski

NewbieX
the contractures postmortem could have drawn her hand back to her head but the finger still on the trigger? thats staged!
 

Mongrel

It's all fun & games until someone looses an eye
Having owned a couple 357 mangnums both long & short barrel I have a hard time believing she could hold the gun in place like that close to her head. How big is she? My wife's hands jump pretty good when she's shooting a 38 special or 357. A single hand I would believe there would be some barrel movement up & away.
 
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DeathHand

DeathHand

Let It All Bleed Out
I think that the wooden grip/s (the rounded edges, the deep border engraving) on the handgun might be a tell-tale sign of it being a S&W .38 Special. Grips on the Magnums are usually quite different - this is what caught my eye.

If the gun is indeed a S&W .357 Magnum revolver, I am leaning towards it having been loaded with +P .38's. Magnums will accept .357 rounds as well as .38 cal rounds (as long as they're +p rounds).

The velocity rate for a Magnum firing a .357 round compared to the same Magnum firing a .38 round is quite different. The .357 round has considerable recoil, even when held with both boths. The .357 velocity rate can reach upwards of 30,000 ft/p. The .38 has about half the recoil of a .357 and the .38's usually reach about 12,000 - 22,000 ft/p.

Like Mongrel alluded to, this would be a difficult shot using only one hand. But again, it wasn't a free shot - the barrel would have been pressed directly against the side of her head. And if the gun was indeed loaded with .38's, then we won't see quite the same recoil as we would if it was a .357 that entered her head (although at that close range we'd see pretty much the same damage).

A few pics of possible/similar handguns.

1. Close up of gun found with the woman's body (note the deep edge engraving on the wooden grip)
close-up-grip-of-handgun-used-Fernando-de-la-Mora-PY-dec-12-14.jpg


2. A .38 Special
38-special-sw.jpg


3. A Magnum with a 3" barrel
357-magnum-sw-2-inch-barrel.jpg


4. A 357 Magnum with a 4" barrel - this one is more like the model that the suicide guy I posted a few posts back used
male-suicide-357-or-44-magnum-2.jpg



5. For comparison: two S&W .357 Magnums: top has a 6" barrel and the lower has a 3 or 3 1/2" barrel
Smithwesson-357-3-and-6-inch-barrel.jpg



6. A snubnose S&W .38 Special
38-special-sw-snubnose.jpg
 
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DeathHand

DeathHand

Let It All Bleed Out
With this close-up image I find it hard to see that her finger was placed on the trigger. There is no smearing or smudging of blood on her finger or hand - which we'd see if the gun was staged into place.

close-up-grip-of-handgun-used-Fernando-de-la-Mora-PY-dec-12-14.jpg
 

Mongrel

It's all fun & games until someone looses an eye
I am not a specialist in crime scenes by any means, but I wonder what a specialist would say about the blood splatter on her hand. Off hand I would think she did indeed pull the trigger.
 

Mongrel

It's all fun & games until someone looses an eye
depending on the round used you can get pretty brutal damage old fashioned lead hollow point expands pretty large not sure what a newer black talon or such might do.
 

1fktmind

The meaning of life is that it stops.
HAHA WOAAAUUWWW!!! Thats some awesome stuff!!! I never seen this before, dunno how i missed this post, but damm ty so much deathhand! U are the best!!!
 

tero

GOREBABY
SHES SO BEAUTIFUL WHY N OT LEAVE THE DIRTBAG? HOW I PREY THE OTHER WOMAN AND HUSBAND GET WHAT GODS GOT WAITING FOR THEM..............
 

Decent60

Patient goes beep beep beeeeeeeeeep
That's why I'm thinking she used a .357 Magnum but had .38 rounds in it - way less recoil and flash burn. Just enough to pop her melon.
One thing that I don't like about it, even with a stub-nose, there is a good bit of recoil. Looking at her size and position of her right arm, seems a bit unlikely that it would stay like that and not have move further away (not by much tho since she is laying on the bed, providing friction).
I could believe that spasms, that you indicated earlier, were more related to the left arm, as they do have blood and chunks on the underside (facing away from the head). If it wasn't the proximity of the gun to the head, I'd say it was suicide. As is, I'm sure either way.
I tried to look up more information about this: CCTV showed no one entering from the time she got home until her husband did; Her brother and Husband both came back negative for gunpowder residue.

For those who would say "why would she do that", being 6 months pregnant can cause all sorts of emotions to stir, including depression and mood-swings.

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Bah, the reason I quoted that post of yours:

"In women's car box 357 caliber bullets of which had six (these were in the gun) were found. The husband did not know of the existence of the gun in the house. In addition, the body was found by her husband at 15:00 in the house of the woman." (http://www.hoy.com.py/nacionales/muerte-de-abogada-hallaron-arma-y-esquela-pero-dudan-de-suicidio)
 
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good pics Deathhand.
Not suicide, but murder. A woman carrying a life inside himself, beautiful, successful never put a bullet in the head.

See the distance of revolver and her head. It is not possible. If she was used the gun should be far way from her head.
So fukn true it looks staged there is no way her hand would have stayed perfectly still by herself the power of the blast would of thrown the gun out her hand therefore its a "DOUBLE HOMICIDE" including the life she had inside her !!!!!!
 
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