LAWRENCE BITTAKER & ROY NORRIS (1 Viewer)

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Lawrence Bittaker


Bittaker bought a 1977 GMC cargo van, which they came to call "Murder Mack", because it had no side
windows in the back and a large passenger side sliding door.

February 6, 1981 - Los Angeles, California: Lawrence Bittaker, 40, accused in the rape and torture deaths of five teenage girls, wears a grin on his face during testimony in court. Earlier in the day Bittaker broke down and began crying as he denied under questioning that he had killed any of the girls. During the second day of testimony in his own defense, Bittaker again attempted to discredit the testimony of his confessed alleged accomplice, Ray Norris, 32, who pleaded guilty to the killings in a deal with prosecutors to avoid the death penalty.

February 4, 1981 - Superior Court Judge Thomas Fredericks (R, top) reversed his earlier ruling and let cameras and microphones into the Lawrence Bittaker (L, top) torture-murder trial. It was apparently the first time California broadcasters and photographers have been allowed to record a felony trial without consent of the defendant. Judge Fredericks last week denied a request by NBC to film the proceedings following a Jan. 25 decision by the US Supreme Court saying states have the right to permit television camera in the courtroom. Fredericks said it was up to the California Judicial Council to make the change permitting cameras and tape recorders in court. The Council amended the rules 2/3 as part of an ongoing "cameras in the courtroom experiment," saying the consent of both prosecution and defense attorneys was no longer necessary.
The victims


Shirley Ledford, 16, Andrea Joy Hall, 18, and Jacqueline Leah Lamp, 13.


Jackie Doris Gilliam, 15 and Lucinda Schaefer, 16.

Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker and Roy Lewis Norris, also called The Tool Box Killers, are two American serial killers who together kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered five young women over a period of five months in California in 1979.
Lawrence Bittaker
Shortly after his birth, Bittaker was adopted by Mr. and Mrs. George Bittaker. George worked in aircraft factories, which required the family to move often, from Pennsylvania to Florida to Ohio and finally to California.
Bittaker, who had a tested I.Q. of 138, dropped out of high school in 1957 after several run-ins with juvenile authorities and police. Shortly thereafter he was picked up for car theft, leaving the scene of a hit-and-run accident, and evading arrest. He was imprisoned in the California Youth Authority until he was 19.
The FBI arrested Bittaker in Louisiana several days after his release for violating the Interstate Motor Vehicle Theft Act. Convicted in August 1959, he was sentenced to 18 months in an Oklahoma federal reformatory. His behavior there soon got him transferred to a Missouri medical center. He was released after serving six months of his sentence.
In December 1960 he was arrested in Los Angeles and in May 1961 was sentenced to 1–15 years in a state prison. A psychiatric evaluation determined Bittaker to be paranoid and borderline psychotic with little control over his impulses. Despite these findings, he was released in 1963.
He was picked up two months later for parole violation and suspected robbery and was again incarcerated in October 1964. While in prison he was again given a psychiatric evaluation and again determined to be borderline psychotic.
In July 1967 he was arrested and convicted of theft and leaving a hit-and-run accident. He was sentenced to five years but was released in April 1970. However, in March 1971 he was picked up for burglary and parole violation. He was sentenced to six months or up to 15 years in October. He served three years of that sentence.
He was arrested again when he stabbed a supermarket employee in the parking lot of the business. Bittaker had stuffed a steak down his pants, and the employee had followed him outside and tried to stop him. The man survived, and Bittaker was convicted of attempted murder. He met Norris while in prison at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo.
In 1976 Bittaker was hired as the manager for the Holiday Theater in the Reseda area of the San Fernando Valley.
He was given another psychiatric evaluation, which rejected the borderline psychotic finding, saying instead that he was a classic sociopath. Another psychiatrist called Bittaker a sophisticated psychopath. Despite the psychiatrists' warnings, he was released in November 1978 and moved to Los Angeles.
Roy Norris
At 17, Norris dropped out of school and joined the Navy. He spent most of his service stationed in San Diego and served four months in Vietnam. He saw no combat while there.
Back in San Diego, Norris was arrested on November 1969 for attempted rape. Three months later, out on bail before his trial, he was arrested again. He had tried to attack a woman in her home. Police arrived before he could harm her. At this point, Norris was discharged from the Navy for psychological problems.
In May 1970, while still out on bail, he attacked a female student on the San Diego State University campus. He had jumped the woman from behind, hit her on the head with a rock, and then slammed her head several times on the concrete. The woman survived, so Norris was only charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He was sent to Atascadero State Hospital as a sex offender and spent five years there. When released, he was considered no further danger to others.
Three months after his release, Norris attacked and raped a 27-year-old woman. Convicted of forcible rape, he was sent to the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo. While there, he met and befriended Bittaker. Norris claims Bittaker saved his life twice in prison, which bound him to Bittaker according to the "prisoner's code."
Norris was released on January 15, 1979, and moved in with his mother in Los Angeles, where it is believed they began an incestuous relationship. Bittaker contacted Norris and they continued their prison friendship on the outside.
Murders
Bittaker and Norris hatched a plan to rape and kill local girls. Bittaker bought a 1977 GMC cargo van that they came to call "Murder Mack" because it had no side windows in the back and a large passenger-side sliding door. From February to June 1979, they gave their plan a test run. They drove along the Pacific Coast Highway, stopped at beaches, talked to girls, and took their pictures. When the pair was arrested, police found close to 500 pictures among Bittaker's possessions.
On June 24, 1979, they claimed their first victim, 16-year-old Cindy Schaeffer. They picked her up near Redondo Beach, Norris forcing her into the van. He duct taped her mouth and bound her arms and legs. Bittaker drove the van to a fire road on San Gabriel Mountains out of sight of the highway. Both men raped the girl, and then Bittaker wrapped a straightened wire coat hanger around her neck. He tightened the wire with vise-grip pliers, strangling her to death. They wrapped her body in a plastic shower curtain and dumped it in a nearby canyon.
They picked up 18-year-old Andrea Hall hitchhiking on July 8. Norris hid in the back of the van and Bittaker talked her into the van. After she had gotten in, Bittaker offered her a drink from a cooler in the back. When she went to the cooler, Norris jumped her, bound her arms and legs, and taped her mouth shut. They took her to the fire road and raped her several times. Bittaker dragged her from the van, and Norris left to get beer. When he returned, Hall was gone and Bittaker was looking at Polaroid pictures of her. He had stabbed her with an ice pick in both ears and strangled her. He threw her body over a cliff.
On September 3, while driving near Hermosa Beach, the pair spotted two girls on a bus stop bench and offered them a ride. Jackie Gilliam, 15, and Leah Lamp, 13, accepted their offer. The girls became suspicious when Bittaker parked the van near a suburban tennis court. Lamp went for the back door and Norris hit her in the head with a bat. A short scuffle broke out, but with Bittaker's help Norris subdued the teens and bound them both. Bittaker then drove them to the fire road. They kept the girls alive for two days, raping and torturing them the whole time with a wire hanger and pliers. They even made an audio recording of the events. Eventually Bittaker stabbed Gilliam in both ears with an ice pick. When she didn't succumb to her injuries, both men took turns strangling her until she died. Bittaker then strangled Lamp while Norris hit her in the head with a sledgehammer seven times. They dumped the bodies over a cliff, the ice pick still in Gilliam's head.
They kidnapped Shirley Sanders on September 30, macing her and forcing her into the van. Both raped her, but she escaped. Police showed her pictures of the men, and she identified them as Lawrence and Roy.
They kidnapped 16-year-old Shirley Lynette Ledford[1] on October 31, raping her and torturing her while driving around Los Angeles instead of heading to their usual mountain spot. Bittaker stabbed the young girl several times and also tortured her with the pliers. During her torture, her screams and pleas were tape-recorded as Bittaker repeatedly beat her elbows with a sledgehammer, all the time demanding that she not stop screaming; he eventually strangled her with a wire hanger, using the pliers to twist a cinching loop around her throat. Instead of tossing her body over a cliff, they left it on a random lawn in Hermosa Beach to see the local reaction in the newspaper. The body was found the next day and caused quite a stir, being only days since the arrest of "Hillside Strangler" Angelo Buono.
Norris had been telling prison friend Jimmy Dalton all about the murders. Dalton thought the stories were lies until Ledford's body was found. He talked to his lawyer and they went to the Los Angeles Police Department with information about Norris.
At the trial, both Norris and Bittaker were charged with murder, kidnapping, forcible rape, sexual perversion and criminal conspiracy. Bittaker was convicted of rape, torture, kidnapping, and murder on February 17, 1981, and sentenced to death. As of October 2012,Bittaker remains on death row, where he still receives mail; he responds to the letters, signing with his nickname, "Pliers" Bittaker. Norris was also sentenced but was spared execution in return for his testimony against Bittaker. Norris was denied parole in 2009 and will be eligible in another ten years.
Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker
Background information​
Birth name​
Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker
Also known as​
The Toolbox Killer
Born​
September 27, 1940 (age 72)
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
Conviction​
Attempted murder,
Burglary,
Crime scene getaway,
Grand theft auto,
Murder,
Parole violation,
Rape,
Suspicion of robbery,
Theft,
Torture
Sentence​
Death
Killings​
5
Country​
United States
State(s)​
California
Date apprehended​
November 20, 1979
Roy Lewis Norris
Background information​
Birth name​
Roy Lewis Norris
Also known as​
The Toolbox Killer
Born​
February 2, 1948 (age 64)
Greeley, Colorado
Conviction​
Forcible rape,
Kidnapping,
Murder,
Parole violation,
Torture
Sentence​
Life imprisonment
Killings​
5
Country​
United States
State(s)​
California
Date apprehended​
November 23, 1979

 
I find it amazing that they actually talked about it to a former prisoner, considering Bittaker's superior intelligence
And the level of planning and sophistication of their mobile slaughter house that they'd take more care. I think Bittaker needed Norris to push him over the line and Norris needed Bittakers genius, it created a perfect storm of cruelty and sexual depravity and extreme perversion. Not such a fan of Norris cuz he's a potato head and
Is nothing without Bittaker, but Bittaker is a classic psycho-sexual killer, but without Norris he would have never killed.
 
Apparently one of the audio tapes is on the first pressing of Laserdisc Silence of the Lambs Criterion Collection. Don't know how true this is but apparently the laserdisc version had a bunch of content on serial killers and that tape was included.
 
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Witchfynde

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Those tapes were very disturbed . I'd love to hear some of them . I'd also like to read his book - " The Last Ride " but I never been able to find a copy . Apparently it contains graphic memories , from him , about the rapes and murders . PLEASE if anyone knows how to get a copy , I'd love to know . I have always been interested in these two sickos
 
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Witchfynde

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They coulda gone on for decades if they didn't dump bodies in people's yards, and kept their stupid traps shut
No ... I think they were just too stupid . Most of their abductions took place during the day and out in the open . No real planning at all . Eventually someone would see them or the girls getting into their van . I was just surprised how stupid or easy the girls jumped into the van . Didn't their parents ever tell them about this . Even the police visit schools to say never to do it .
I'm not sure how this crime would go today . The kids would have to be a little more " street smart " Are they ?
 
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Witchfynde

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Norris will offend again and get caught again if he is released , he is not very bright, and was eligible for parole in 2010.
Charles Manson is eligible for parole too, I don't see him on the streets.
In some odd way I say poor Charlie . He never actually killed anyone himself , but he has spent an awful amount of time behind bars . I am not saying release him .... oh no,no,no........ he is too disturbed , but just commenting on his amount of time inside for a lesser crime . Even the killers got out decades ago .
 
Charlie was who inspired Lawrence to live out his fantasy, if there was no Charlie there would be no Bittaker.
Bittaker would have probably just have had his fantasies never realised. in those days it was common to hitchike
and 99.9% of time it was ok, i can remember hitching rides to the beach with my aunt as a little boy.
I think accessory to rape, kidnapping and murder quantify a life sentence in my book, even as a accessory to
the crime. We all know he was a bit more than a accomplice. Considering bittaker got the death sentence charlie got off
lightly for being a dirty little rat and snitching, bittaker kept quiet and got the ultimate penalty.
 
Charlie was who inspired Lawrence to live out his fantasy, if there was no Charlie there would be no Bittaker.
Bittaker would have probably just have had his fantasies never realised. in those days it was common to hitchike
and 99.9% of time it was ok, i can remember hitching rides to the beach with my aunt as a little boy.
I think accessory to rape, kidnapping and murder quantify a life sentence in my book, even as a accessory to
the crime. We all know he was a bit more than a accomplice. Considering bittaker got the death sentence charlie got off
lightly for being a dirty little rat and snitching, bittaker kept quiet and got the ultimate penalty.

lulz you confused me with charlie and roy lol I meant roy not charlie
 
In some odd way I say poor Charlie . He never actually killed anyone himself , but he has spent an awful amount of time behind bars . I am not saying release him .... oh no,no,no........ he is too disturbed , but just commenting on his amount of time inside for a lesser crime . Even the killers got out decades ago .
Dude I love the great white icon
 

LilyCuster

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No ... I think they were just too stupid . Most of their abductions took place during the day and out in the open . No real planning at all . Eventually someone would see them or the girls getting into their van . I was just surprised how stupid or easy the girls jumped into the van . Didn't their parents ever tell them about this . Even the police visit schools to say never to do it .
I'm not sure how this crime would go today . The kids would have to be a little more " street smart " Are they ?
I don't know. So many of these young girls are desperate for attention, to the point of being stupid. Hard to say.
 
We were all that way , I was hitchhiking in Florida and this dude picks me up and he invited me back to his place for beer, being 19 I agreed but as soon as we were there I felt a weird tension and I said I was going outside for a smoke and I got the fuck outta there. I was shaking from the inside and I don't know what set me off but I knew something was wrong and it was fight or flight time, he was either gay and wanted sex or he was a psychopath and wanted something else far more sinister, either way I wasn't playing along. Last time I stick my thumb out for a ride too.
But yeh we are pretty dumb at that young an age, well I was anyways .
 
We were all that way , I was hitchhiking in Florida and this dude picks me up and he invited me back to his place for beer, being 19 I agreed but as soon as we were there I felt a weird tension and I said I was going outside for a smoke and I got the fuck outta there. I was shaking from the inside and I don't know what set me off but I knew something was wrong and it was fight or flight time, he was either gay and wanted sex or he was a psychopath and wanted something else far more sinister, either way I wasn't playing along. Last time I stick my thumb out for a ride too.
But yeh we are pretty dumb at that young an age, well I was anyways .
Interesting, you were listening to your gut and wasn't rationalizing it off. Good for you. Your comment made me think of the Dahmer's survivor.. he listened and it saved his life.
 
Yeh I read about that too and it reminded me of the same thing.
I'm extremely intuitive and it helped me survive a rough start in life , but I guess in my circumstances as a kid I developed good radar as a survival mechanism and it saved me from being molested or worse in that situation.
 
Most kids don't think anything will happen to them until we become adults and we learn that there is evil in the world and we are mortal indeed. Prostitutes and teenagers are easy pickings for serial killers/rapists that's why they are commonly the most preyed upon.
 

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