I'd bet money on the North Korean military forming some old school junta if the Dong family got taken out. I'm sure the top military/political guys are just as fucking crazy as Kim is, and enjoy a better life than their slaves. They don't need seoul fucking their shit up.
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North Korea executed 30 teenagers for watching South Korean dramas!
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Christopher Hitchens
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That’s a possibility but I hope we and South Korea would do everything we can to prevent that. I disagree with one thing though. You using the word “crazy”. They aren’t crazy they are very rational and smart. They are almost as trapped in the system as regular people in that if that regime falls. Kim and his cronies are going to be killed, like Gaddafi, and they know that.
Some of them are psychopaths for sure but not crazy. Those of them that really believe in the Juche though are fanatics though.
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A diverse confused population cannot organize itself and will seek guidance from a bigger government. Put mind numbing drugs into the mix and you have the recipe for societal collape. And what happens after a collapse? A rebirth controlled by the very same people who made life a living hell swooping in to make themselves appear the saviors.
They will break the peoples legs and then graciously give them a pair of crutches.
A diverse confused population cannot organize itself and will seek guidance from a bigger government. Put mind numbing drugs into the mix and you have the recipe for societal collape. And what happens after a collapse? A rebirth controlled by the very same people who made life a living hell swooping in to make themselves appear the saviors.
They will break the peoples legs and then graciously give them a pair of crutches.
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I am not a fan of K-pop or anime or really cartoons at all, I grew out of that for whatever reason. South Korean movies are on fire though. Parasite, Train to Busan, Snowpiercer, The Host, well not in Korean but from Korean directorwho cares... korean drama is a fucking clickbait garbage dipshit, korean wave? seriously? are you fucking kidding me?? 😂🤣 hey guys... just saying about truth, any all korean culture is bootleg replica pictures! about disgusting truth of korean wave's real image is here!! 🤥🥱
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Christopher Hitchens
The Enlightenment is Humanity’s ONLY Salvation.
North Korea has a movie industry. I think you can want some of them for free on YouTube.
Somewhat strong rules apply to people in North Korea, it is not necessary to be born healthy there
Even the old Soviet Bolsheviks and then the communists were finer people than this, and they didn't have much humanity towards their fellow human beings if the situation turned out like that
Even the old Soviet Bolsheviks and then the communists were finer people than this, and they didn't have much humanity towards their fellow human beings if the situation turned out like that
Christopher Hitchens
The Enlightenment is Humanity’s ONLY Salvation.
Yea well it’s as if Stalin had lived since the 1940’s to the present day, when the DPRK’s founder Kim-il-Sung, a Stalinist and trained by Stalin took over the country. It’s even worse than that though because North Koreans are very unlucky in their geography. They are boxed in.
On their southern border they have the most militarized border on Earth, absurdly and ironically called the Korean Demilitarized Zone. The northern borders are with rural areas of the one party state dictatorships, China and Russia, who don’t give a fuck about the NK people and will ship them back if they get caught fleeing. Lastly they have to rough oceans on the eastern and western border. They are in a geographical prison. In a post-Stalinist Juche state. Horror show the whole situation!
Yea well the Bolsheviks weren’t as bad in the beginning but it grew into something, Stalin, that was as bad. The seeds of Stalin were there from the beginning though. I just finished listening to a book by Emma Goldman:
It’s about her going to Russia early after the Revolution and having her idealism about the Bolsheviks and new system crushed because they were so nasty and cruel. Lenin Saying things like “freedom of speech is a bourgeois sentimentality” and the Cheka’s horrors. Her is the book if you are into that sort of thing:
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Bill Murray
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I have very little sympathy for the North Korean civilians. They've been ruled by the Kim's for 75 years, if they haven't figured out a way to fight back by now fuck 'em.
Christopher Hitchens
The Enlightenment is Humanity’s ONLY Salvation.
There is no way to fight back. the population doesn’t have weapons, even if they did they are half starved. If someone will put your children and you in death slave camps you will do what they say! As I said, the people are isolated and we can’t send them weapons or remove the regime because we don’t know if the regime wouldn't destroy the South on the way out.
Also people have tried to resist or go a different direction and they are ruthlessly purged. We know of some of these purges.
Why do you think that if your family was under threat and you were in the same situation that you would sacrifice yourself by resisting that regime which would be suicide if you are a regular North Korean (or even a high ranking one)? You’re not that tough.
Why do you have so little understand or empathy for other peoples?
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Do you think any uprisings were started by a group who were fat, armed & happy?
No, we can't send them weapons or remove the Kims....its not our fucking job! But what we have sent them has either been mocked or squandered.
Hundreds of eye surgeries completed by Western doctors & at Western expense, the first thing these assholes do is thank Kim Jong-il.
While a token gesture of humanitarian relief a German sent 12 giant rabbits to North Korea with the intent they breed to provide much needed protein, what does the middle kim do? He eats the damn things.
People need to help themselves. After billions of dollars wasted around the world on failed states like Haiti, Ukraine, DRC I'm all out of empathy.
Christopher Hitchens
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Yea some were, the founders of America weren’t starving. They are half-starved and unarmed. In NK you have to serve ten years in the military and if you disobey orders you are just shot. You don’t understand the nature of the regime, you don’t understand how humans work.
Another thing you don’t understand is that North and South Korea are a creation of the UN and the UN is a creation of us and we are the one country that the UN couldn’t live without. It doesn’t work with the USA, that’s not true of any other member state. We have an interest in preserving South Korean security for this reason. Also for economic reasons, the South being hugely important for our economy. Also it’s just the right thing to do.
Yea we send them food which costs us nothing, like pennies if it were an individual, because letting an enslaved population starve to death because the regime uses it as propaganda and steals some of it. That would be a horrifying thing for us to do and we, The United States, would be damned in the history books for being so callous, as we should be.
It’s not a waste to preserve a world order in which we are the main beneficiary and which it is the moral and right and just thing to do and if we pull back there will be more war and unrest that we will be dragged into eventually anyway as happened after WW1 and many times since and before.
You probably think of yourself as a very alpha facts before feelings guy. Well you're “ all out of empathy” bullshit is just a feeling, and a very ignorant and cruel and tribal and narrow feeling at that.
Bill Murray
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Since you clearly didn't pick up the first time around allow me to be more clear, I couldn't give a single fuck about the life of a North Korean.
And no, the split of North & South Korea was originally an agreement between the USSR & the US following WWII, the UN didn't interceed until 1947 or 1948. You're delusional if you think the US is the most critical member of the UN. Our importance has been diminishing as China's has been increasing. And yes, there are all sorts of good reasons to ally with South Korea, how does that have anything to do with sucking North Korea's dick?
Costs us nothing? Spoken like a true socialist who likely doesn't have a pot to piss in. Aid provided to any foreign country is money that isn't being able to be spent at home. While true, the US government doesn't provide any direct aid to North Korea, which is a good thing IMO, we contribute to other UN sob stories so any funds that we contribute to the UN gets lost in the mix with some of it going to NK.
Preserving world order and the US being the "main beneficiary"? In case you haven't looked around there's not terribly friendly towards US interests and main beneficiary, again China is the one running the show.
Alpha/beta or other meaningless labels interest me not. I am however a facts before feelings person and facts tell me that the North Korea regime is evil & dogshit who are incapable of bargining in good faith, so why bother with them? Capitulate to whatever demands they might have? Why, they're China's lapdog to the dirty work like provide arms to Russia or to launder Russian oil. You're telling me this is a nation we should be supportive of? And not for nothing but empathy is a feeling, being out of it would make me by definition to be sans feelings.
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Christopher Hitchens
The Enlightenment is Humanity’s ONLY Salvation.
@Bill Murray
You are in quotes and bold, my replies aren’t.
I’m breaking down your long ignorant America first isolationist reply by paragraph.:
“Since you clearly didn't pick up the first time around allow me to be more clear, I couldn't give a single fuck about the life of a North Korean.”
No I knew that very clearly and already addressed it.
“nd no, the split of North & South Korea was originally an greement between the USSR & the US following WWIl, the N didn't interceed until 1947 or 1948. You're delusional if ou think the US is the most critical member of the UN. Our importance has been diminishing as China's has been increasing. And yes, there are all sorts of good reasons to ally with South Korea, how does that have anything to do with sucking North Korea's dick?”
Yea it was an agreement between the two victors of the pacific war and founding superpowers of the UN and as you say it was invoked from virtually the beginning and Stalin allowing Kim to invade the South was partly a test of the new UN.
No if you don’t understand the fact that the United States is the only country without which the UN would not work. Without our money and power, it would devolve full throttle into corruption and dereliction of duty in following and enforcing the founding UN Charter. Without our military both protecting world trade and being the only military (and force period really) that can go into Africa say during an epidemic, like with Ebola, and set up the basic security and infrastructure, etc, so that the doctors NGO’s can come in a help. The Chinese military not only can’t do it like us but they won’t because they don’t care about saving African lives. Europeans care about human rights but they can’t enforce them and don’t have our military to do what I said and other things. So If you don’t understand that, it doesn’t work without us you are delusional. The UN could work without China. China is on the rise yes. We are not going to stop being a “superpower” for lack of a better term any time soon. And if we do stop it’s because we are choosing to. You think pulling back and letting China take care of East Asia and letting Russia have a free hand and the Middle East be even more of a free for all shit show. Be careful what you wish for populist dummy.
“Costs us nothing? Spoken like a true socialist who likely doesn't have a pot to piss in. Aid provided to any foreign country is money that isn't being able to be spent at home.
While true, the US government doesn't provide any direct aid to North Korea, which is a good thing IMO, we contribute to other UN sob stories so any funds that we contribute to the UN gets lost in the mix with some of it going to NK.”
Not literally nothing obviously. In the grand scheme, it’s chump change a lot of this and btw look up how much of our GDP goes to foreign aid, it’s less than people like you think. I have both piss and pot and I’m not a socialist. I know there is corruption, but things would be worse if we withdrawal from the world. You are letting the best be an enemy of the good. Yes there is reforms and rip offs. One of the most disgusting things was the Iraq oil for food scandal. After 1991 when the huge mistake was made to leave Saddam in power, sanctions were applied and aid programs were set up that just devolved into corruption. This: Oil-for-Food Programme - Wikipedia. Iam very passionate about Iraq as you might have seen on this thread and I hate how the Un treated Iraq. I hate the corruption and theft as much as you do, but we don’t deal with it by just withdrawing from the world. That’s like being afraid of being robbed for your wallet so your solution is to never leave your house. No!
I’m sorry but your populist brain dead point that is so common it seems about spending the money here. It’s bullshit. If we didn’t send the North Koreans grain, that money wouldn’t go to food stamps. Money has to be connected to a budget which is written and voted in by our elected representatives and their staffs.
Also some issues aren’t lack of money. For example, we aren’t having housing shortage because of policy and property laws, not lack of money. Same with schools and their degradation in America.
“Preserving world order and the US being the "main beneficiary"? In case you haven't looked around there's not terribly friendly towards US interests and main beneficiary, again China is the one running the show.”
Yes we are because we benefit from global trade. We don’t run the world, despite a lot of people, American and otherwise, thinking that we do. Neither does China. We do have the most influence and we have more than China. Most importantly with our military, which protects free world trade. If you look where our Navy and air force aircraft carrier groups they are spread around world trade routes. If we pull away from that, we would not benefit. All that money you want to spend here wouldn’t even exist because trade would slow down and be more expensive.
Most of the world is friendly towards our interests. I’d like to know specifically what interest you have in mind there. What you are saying doesn’t make sense.
“Alpha/beta or other meaningless labels interest me not. I am however a facts before feelings person and facts tell me that the North Korea regime is evil & dogshit who are incapable of bargining in good faith, so why bother with them? Capitulate to whatever demands they might have?
Why, they're China's lapdog to the dirty work like provide arms to Russia or to launder Russian oil. You're telling me this is a nation we should be supportive of? And not for nothing but empathy is a feeling, being out of it would make me by definition to be sans feelings.”
You are not a facts before feelings person, you can’t even be accurate about what I say or didn’t say. We shouldn’t bargain with them or capitulate to them. That’s why we shouldn’t pull away from the Korean Peninsula. That’s what the Kim regime wants! Not helping the South Koreans would be capitulating to the regime. I hate how Trump went a legitimizes him with photos of them shaking hands. Disgusting and huge mistake. Just gives Kim prestige and a propaganda opportunity and doesn’t help anything. No we should be supportive of South Korea. and we shouldn’t let the North Koreans starve to death when we have an over abundance of cheap food. That seems like pretty fucking basic morality to me.
You lack sympathy and your reason are ignorant. They don’t make sense as they are based on false assumptions. You think things work in a way they don’t. Populist brain rot.
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Christopher Hitchens
The Enlightenment is Humanity’s ONLY Salvation.
If only the Koreans had the luxury not to care. Very astute facts and logic as always Billy boy. Another retreat for you populist idiots. I rest my case.
@Bill Murray - and that’s your and the rest of the populist right wing turds problem, you have no fucks given about things you don’t understand.
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Bill Murray
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I don't think Gil Dong Cha* from Pyongyang gives a thought or shit about me, I'm simply recropricating.
*an actual Korean I know, albeit not from there
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