fights Grabbed & stabbed

[Tuomas Woorhees]

Like to know a backround.

 

[Jenny]

Like to know a backround.

I wanna hear the phone conversation.
There was a vid of his mum & his brother at the hospital on Instagram but, not much info.

 

[Tuomas Woorhees]

I wanna hear the phone conversation.
There was a vid of his mum & his brother at the hospital on Instagram but, not much info.

That surely would be some.

 

[chewbok]

If you RIS the vid, 3 Russian posts say he went to the ICU & the most recent of the posts said "10 stabbings, he was ALMOST killed" but, I believe he survived. 🤷‍♀️

Lucky young man. Thank you for the follow up. Any one of the deep belly (liver & spleen) or chest (heart or great vessel like ascending/descending aorta and/or vena cava) could have been fatal on their own. The fact that he survived them all says a lot about his health and the speed with which he entered the appropriate healthcare setting. He must have been very close to a trauma center or I sorely misjudged the severity of his injuries.

Here is some trivia for you. You may or may not be interested but this takes me back in time.

In 1992 I had the privilege of participating in an educational exchange program at Sklifosovsky Trauma Institute in Moscow. Sklifosovsky is the main emergency medicine and trauma teaching hospital in Moscow.

We spent 6 months sharing best practices in both ground and helicopter based emergency medicine. Dr Peter Safar (Univ of Pittsburg) who has been called the father of field emergency medicine was also involved in the program.

I was a young HEMS pilot/paramedic at the time. My role was to teach and learn about helicopter/ALS operations. Coming from a teaching hospital myself I was super impressed at their trauma program, at least from the hospital doors forward. They had efficiencies in patient thruput that even today would rival the treatment times of some of the level 1 trauma centers in the USA.

However, the field aspect of their trauma system was sorely lacking in capabilities, the ambulances basically being a “scoop and run” service that would deliver critical trauma patients to the closest hospital, not a trauma center. Helicopter transport was reserved for the most senior party members and their families. Not a good pre-hospital trauma system.

They did have an exceptional medical aspect to their EMS program, staffing ambulances with physicians and basically doing physician house calls for medical emergencies, treating patients on scene and leaving them there with appropriate medications. This eliminated a lot of hospital ER traffic and cost much less than ER visits.

Anyway, I’m sure their field trauma care has improved over the last 30 years but this stabbing victim must have been very close to a trauma center. He didn’t need an ambulance or “hospital”. He needed a fully staffed and equipped “trauma center” with cardiothoracic and trauma surgeon, full OR staff, Anesthesia, lab, blood bank, radiology, SICU and everything else ready to go on a moments notice.

Without reaching that facility (and being prepped for surgery) within 60-90 minutes of the stabbing he would probably have little chance for survival had any major organs or great vessels been cut.

Sorry to ramble but I have first hand knowledge of Russian trauma care, even if it’s dated information the human body hasn’t changed. Patients with injuries like the man shown in the video still require aggressive and timely treatment to survive.

Thanks again for the follow-up.

 

[chewbok]

Wow @Sgt.Stupid. I can’t believe you took the time to read my it. That’s 3 minutes you can never get back. Thank you.

I guess I went overboard but this deal triggered some good memories and gave me a nice endorphin kick. Cheaper than Oxy.

 

[Jenny]

Lucky young man. Thank you for the follow up. Any one of the deep belly (liver & spleen) or chest (heart or great vessel like ascending/descending aorta and/or vena cava) could have been fatal on their own. The fact that he survived them all says a lot about his health and the speed with which he entered the appropriate healthcare setting. He must have been very close to a trauma center or I sorely misjudged the severity of his injuries.

Here is some trivia for you. You may or may not be interested but this takes me back in time.

In 1992 I had the privilege of participating in an educational exchange program at Sklifosovsky Trauma Institute in Moscow. Sklifosovsky is the main emergency medicine and trauma teaching hospital in Moscow.

We spent 6 months sharing best practices in both ground and helicopter based emergency medicine. Dr Peter Safar (Univ of Pittsburg) who has been called the father of field emergency medicine was also involved in the program.

I was a young HEMS pilot/paramedic at the time. My role was to teach and learn about helicopter/ALS operations. Coming from a teaching hospital myself I was super impressed at their trauma program, at least from the hospital doors forward. They had efficiencies in patient thruput that even today would rival the treatment times of some of the level 1 trauma centers in the USA.

However, the field aspect of their trauma system was sorely lacking in capabilities, the ambulances basically being a “scoop and run” service that would deliver critical trauma patients to the closest hospital, not a trauma center. Helicopter transport was reserved for the most senior party members and their families. Not a good pre-hospital trauma system.

They did have an exceptional medical aspect to their EMS program, staffing ambulances with physicians and basically doing physician house calls for medical emergencies, treating patients on scene and leaving them there with appropriate medications. This eliminated a lot of hospital ER traffic and cost much less than ER visits.

Anyway, I’m sure their field trauma care has improved over the last 30 years but this stabbing victim must have been very close to a trauma center. He didn’t need an ambulance or “hospital”. He needed a fully staffed and equipped “trauma center” with cardiothoracic and trauma surgeon, full OR staff, Anesthesia, lab, blood bank, radiology, SICU and everything else ready to go on a moments notice.

Without reaching that facility (and being prepped for surgery) within 60-90 minutes of the stabbing he would probably have little chance for survival had any major organs or great vessels been cut.

Sorry to ramble but I have first hand knowledge of Russian trauma care, even if it’s dated information the human body hasn’t changed. Patients with injuries like the man shown in the video still require aggressive and timely treatment to survive.

Thanks again for the follow-up.

You're welcome. Very cool you were able to do all that. I bet it was fun.
It's hard to assess his injuries from a video but, the EMSs he received worked in his favor it would seem. Supposedly, the perp was just a drunk bully.

 

[chewbok]

You're welcome. Very cool you were able to do all that. I bet it was fun.
It's hard to assess his injuries from a video but, the EMSs he received worked in his favor it would seem. Supposedly, the perp was just a drunk bully.

Life just isn’t fair. That’s why Kimber makes a cute little compact 1911 in .45 cal. It speaks a language that even drunk bullies can understand.

 

[chewbok]

You're welcome. Very cool you were able to do all that. I bet it was fun.
It's hard to assess his injuries from a video but, the EMSs he received worked in his favor it would seem. Supposedly, the perp was just a drunk bully.

And it was a cool experience. Russia and the US were pals back then. I ended up doing medical work for oil companies all over the former Soviet Union until ‘95. I met lots of Russians and Ukranians and they were really no different than me. Love of God, family and country. All good people just trying to survive in the new economy after the USSR fell apart.

They were convinced that the US was going to nuke them during the Cold War, just like we were convinced that Russia had their finger on the button.

Fucking politicians.

 

[Sgt.Stupid]

Wow @Sgt.Stupid. I can’t believe you took the time to read my it. That’s 3 minutes you can never get back. Thank you.

I guess I went overboard but this deal triggered some good memories and gave me a nice endorphin kick. Cheaper than Oxy.

It’s worth every minute to read your exciting experience.

 

[chewbok]

Like to know a backround.

Agree. Really strange interaction from beginning to end. Why did he follow his assailant out the door? Odd