Serious I’m Against The Death Penalty. If You Are For It, Why Am I Wrong?

[methedup77]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

Go suck some cock

 

[Shadowman13]

I'd say for the most part I'm for the death penalty. I have no issues with someone being put to death. It would be unfortunate if an innocent person is killed for something they didn't do. However, I don't know that person and I don't care. One of my objections to it is that I think life in prison is worse than being put to death. If I had the option between a life sentence and being killed, I'd choose the latter. Being stuck in prison for life makes you have to live with your decisions every day, and maybe the criminal will feel some type of remorse or regret.

 

[Chief Queef]

Op is such a transparent and insufferable faggot, he doesn't even have to post his views or beliefs. You already know them...

 

[Super Kirbo]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

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Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
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Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
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William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.

guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
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William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
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Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
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Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
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Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.

 

[Super Kirbo]

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James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
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Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
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Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
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In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
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In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
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In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
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In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
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On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
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On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates.

 

[Super Kirbo]

I could go on and on but thats enough some people derserve to be put down

 

[Fäthër Cörpsë]

The hand wringing over the death penalty indicates people want to believe that every life is important and valued. It is not. I’d venture to say most of us are disposable.

 

[hedgerow]

@Christopher Hitchens, on a scale of 1-5, with 1 being a little and 5 being a lot, how would you rate your mental disability?

 

[Fäthër Cörpsë]

@Christopher Hitchens, on a scale of 1-5, with 1 being a little and 5 being a lot, how would you rate your mental disability?

Potato chips

 

[Asspipe]

You kill people to get rid of them

Yes. Vengeance is a clear reason to kill them. It’s human nature to seek equal retribution. Every day they exist is an affront to the dead

 

[Blood_Sport]

Some people simply deserve death, there have been many cases recently that needed the death penalty. I'd vote for hanging, and then cremation, and an unmarked grave.

 

[Graziani]

Some people simply deserve death, there have been many cases recently that needed the death penalty. I'd vote for hanging, and then cremation, and an unmarked grave.

Hanging Luigi Mangione on Central Park, new York. And call all people to watch him.

 

[Graziani]

Yes. Vengeance is a clear reason to kill them. It’s human nature to seek equal retribution. Every day they exist is an affront to the dead

3700 years ago. Good law, eye for eye

 

[hedgerow]

Hanging Luigi Mangione on Central Park, new York. And call all people to watch him.

a public execution...that would be wonderful on my birthday

 

[D.O.A.]

Some people simply deserve death, there have been many cases recently that needed the death penalty. I'd vote for hanging, and then cremation, and an unmarked grave.

They should be hung in a gibbet cage on a main road and hosed down a drain once they've rotted away

 

[}} SUICIDE MESSIAH {{]

I say it depends on the crime the person committed.

 

[Graziani]

I say it depends on the crime the person committed.

You Love Hammurabi 's code

 

[nimblefingers]

Eye for an eye. American prisons are resorts. Tv, snacks, yard time, yard equipment, 3 meals a day, visitation and having rights. Fucking joke.

 

[SavageSaint]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

I'm for the Death penalty, i actually believe if the crime is Bad enough there should be public executions. However, just because i believe that does not mean you are wrong, you are entitled to your opinion....... Unless you live in the UK, China, N. Korea..... or a Muzzy nation..... Where speech is limited or down right banned.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

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@Christopher Hitchens, you're an idiot. That is all.

You are a bitter angry old man,