Serious I’m Against The Death Penalty. If You Are For It, Why Am I Wrong?

[hedgerow]

You are a bitter angry old man,

possibly, but you're surely a middle-aged imbecile

 

[dildo_swaggins]

Heads on poles. It works. Great deterrent.

 

[Solomon Kane]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

For me, nothing to do with deterrent. Get the vile ones off the street, take the life and save some cash from life in prison.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

Agreed, public safety should be number 1.
Unfortunately can't save everyone. People suck.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

Perhaps not but hey, fuckers dead. Someone is celebrating.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

What you call "blood sacrifice" i call "taking out the garbage"

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

Don't hate the game, hate the player.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

could always send them to El Salvador.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

 

[Cold Ethyl]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

Why should we as citizens have to pay to keep those pieces of shits alive? No it doesn't make them.think twice but it'll stop them.from doing it again. Personally I think old sparky should be brought back. I don't care if they have to shock them more than Once to get the job done. Im So sick of all these people boohooing that it's inhumane. So do they think these murderers kill their victims in a humane way fuck no so why should they be put down humanly? Personally depending on how they murdered someone should determine how they get executed. You tortured someone to death same gets done to you but worse.
This lethal injection shit needs to go. They should not just get to be put to sleep and die in their sleep fuck that shit. Sparky, firing squad and what ever else that is not comfortable for them needs to be brought t back. This also goes for rapist and pedos

 

[45cal1911]

For me, nothing to do with deterrent. Get the vile ones off the street, take the life and save some cash from life in prison.

Agreed, public safety should be number 1.
Unfortunately can't save everyone. People suck.

Perhaps not but hey, fuckers dead. Someone is celebrating.

What you call "blood sacrifice" i call "taking out the garbage"

Don't hate the game, hate the player.

could always send them to El Salvador.

Your hypocrisy shines.

 

[I.P. Freely]

You're not "wrong". You have an opinion. I disagree with you, but I'll tell you why:

It's been scientifically proven that pedos have a brain defect that can't be fixed. If a dog had outbursts on kids, the obvious answer is to put that dog down. No different with a human. Put them all down.

You kill somebody, beyond self defense, beyond anything that can render it an accident or life and death, you go. Even if intoxicated.

I also believe that bully situations that result in suicide should even the score. You pushed someone to suicide? Bye

There are too many people on this planet anyway. We don't need FOR-PROFIT prisons keeping savages alive to line the pockets of some soulless board of directors. That's sick.

 

[K.I.T.T.]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

If we kill a small handful of people that are truly innocent while killing a bunch of people that truly deserve it, it balances the equation.

Nothing is perfect, least of all the justice system. Why burden the taxpayers with keeping someone alive in prison for the rest of their lives?

If you really think about it, what good is a life in prison anyway? It's not. The death penalty saves the taxpayers a little money and it simply shortens the lifespan of a convict who has ZERO possibility of ever walking out that door.

Do innocent people get the death penalty? Yes, but statistically it's a very low number and well worth it.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

You kill people to get rid of them

That’s not what the justice system says. They say it’s for “justice” and “closure”.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

You're not "wrong". You have an opinion. I disagree with you, but I'll tell you why:

I have an opinion but it’s backed up but some facts as well

It's been scientifically proven that pedos have a brain defect that can't be fixed. If a dog had outbursts on kids, the obvious answer is to put that dog down. No different with a human. Put them all down.

Humans are not dogs and it’s disgusting to equate them and i think if your morality can do that then something has gone horribly wrong with it.

Also you raise a good point. pedos can’t help it( they have a sexual attraction to children and they can’t change just as a straight person can’t become gay or vice versa. Why should we kill then for something they can’t help, they are sick people really? Why not just do the more humanist and rational thing and keep them behind bars and away from children, and do the best we can to find a cure if possible.

You kill somebody, beyond self defense, beyond anything that can render it an accident or life and death, you go. Even if intoxicated.

Why?

I also believe that bully situations that result in suicide should even the score. You pushed someone to suicide? Bye

Who would decide who pushed to suicide? You trust someone from the state to make that decision?

There are too many people on this planet anyway. We don't need FOR-PROFIT prisons keeping savages alive to line the pockets of some soulless board of directors. That's sick.

No there is plenty of room on the planet for the people here. Some places are overpopulated though.

I’m ALL for programs to limit birth, particularly of people who shouldn’t have kids. Drug addicts, mentally ill, people who can’t pay for their own kids.

I actually came up with an an idea for a program where a woman would have to get a Birth control shot every months before getting their welfare benefits. Or some other long term birth control. I think it’s crazy how we let people just get pregnant and have kid after kid and they are out of control and not fit parents. I was just watching a police body cam of a mother who just had a baby was caught using drugs in the hospital room, the baby fell. She was known to the authorities. The fact someone like her isn’t forced to get some temporary birth control, before getting the mountains of welfare benefits I’m sure she gets, I think is completely insane.

I know this has a lot of possible negative consequences and downsides but it’s better than the status quo. Btw my mom would be under this criteria so I wouldn’t be born if this policy was done but I still am for it.

Unfortunately we don’t have that kind of birth control for men but when it’s invented they would have to too.

So I am with you with limiting population but I think what you are suggesting. Which is doing a culling of human beings who are of no threats is disgusting and vile.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

If we kill a small handful of people that are truly innocent while killing a bunch of people that truly deserve it, it balances the equation.

I disagree I think it negates the justice off the guilty people. more rational and more ethical to not do it at all.

Nothing is perfect, least of all the justice system. Why burden the taxpayers with keeping someone alive in prison for the rest of their lives?

Because it costs more to execute someone in our system so if you only cared about the taxpayer you would be against the death penalty

If you really think about it, what good is a life in prison anyway? It's not. The death penalty saves the taxpayers a little money and it simply shortens the lifespan of a convict who has ZERO possibility of ever walking out that door.

Who are you to decide that the convicts life isn’t good, or you should shorten it? if they want to die let them kill themselves. It doesn’t save money, it’s a fact that it costs more to execute someone than to give them life in prison because of the appeals process.

Do innocent people get the death penalty? Yes, but statistically it's a very low number and well worth it.

It doesn’t matter how low it is, that it happens at all is enough.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

You are a modern day hippy and completely detached from reality. Perhaps your prison time and drug abuse has influenced your reasoning.

No im not really a hippy. This is actually normal in other parts fo the world. In Europe they have banned the death penalty and they are doing alright. No I came this position of the death penalty after years of thinking about it and reading and hearing arguments. I think not having it is the most rational, practical, and moral solution,

To hear a Trump supporter that’s so propagandized he thinks Trump overthrowing the government and the vote and illegally rulling the government would be better than a Biden term. A president who has been better than the working class homegrown Americans than Trump has. To hear you say someone is detached from reality, get real cowboy.

Your "do-gooder activism" will bring you closer to hell and not the opposite.

Of course you can’t actually address my arguments.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Jesus H Christ. You're beyond fucking stupid Christopher Bitchens. You should get the death penalty for us having to read your nonsense you constantly post. So your progressive woke, liberal ass thinks someone that rapes kids or tortures a person should get to lead their life in jail rather than be wiped away? Let's let our tax dollars keep em alive right you woke faggot? I know you don't pay taxes so that doesn't apply to you. You're trully a mentally challenged shitstain if you're against useless scum being executed via the death penalty.

As I said, I know you aren't so bright a bulb so I’ll say it again. Yes I’m not for behaving like the murder and killing someone out of a violent impulse, after they have been arrested and are away from the public.

Also, it costs more to execute people in America. So life in prison is cheaper.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Feels like the intent of the death penalty has been lost, if it was meant as a deterrent.

Maybe we should get back to the days of verdict, sentencing, and execution all the same day.

Get a rope.

No we shouldn't because then even more innocent people will be killed. Also people should have a right to appeal and due process. Best to just ban it altogether and stop this human sacrifice ritual, As scummy as those humans can be.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

I once supported the death penalty but have since changed my stance after careful reflection. Below are my primary reasons for opposing it:

A. Irreversibility of Errors: The justice system is fallible. Advances in forensic techniques, such as DNA analysis, have exonerated thousands of wrongfully convicted individuals worldwide, including many who were executed. If an innocent person is imprisoned, they can be released and compensated, but if they are executed, no remedy exists. What can you do? Reinterring them in a "nicer grave" cannot undo the injustice.

B. Incentive for Escalating Crimes: The death penalty can create perverse incentives for criminals. When certain crimes carry a mandatory death sentence, perpetrators may feel they have nothing to lose, increasing the likelihood of further violence. For instance, a pedophile facing mandatory execution for raping a child might kill their victim to eliminate a witness, as the penalty remains the same. Similarly, a bank robber who kills a guard during a heist might murder additional witnesses to avoid identification, knowing the punishment cannot escalate further.

C. Lack of Deterrence: The death penalty does not effectively deter crime. Many murders are impulsive, driven by mental illness or overwhelming emotion, rendering the threat of future execution irrelevant. In premeditated cases such as a spouse killing for financial gain to prevent a divorce settlement or a drug dealer eliminating rivals, perpetrators act under the assumption they won’t be caught. If they believed detection was likely, they wouldn’t commit the crime in the first place.

D. Moral Inconsistency: If murder is inherently wrong, then how can the state justify executing a person, even for heinous crimes? For Christians, Jesus’ teachings emphasize forgiveness, as exemplified by his mercy toward his persecutors on the cross. For humanists, who champion the sanctity of life, endorsing execution contradicts the principle of preserving human life. Taking a life to punish the taking of a life undermines the moral foundation of justice.

Bravo! Thank you particularly for B as I hadn’t thought of that before, good point.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

There's nothing wrong with an eye for an eye when their crimes are that heinous and numberous.

Yes there is because the “eye for an eye” is Bronze Age law and morality from an ancient book, the Old Testament. We should be better than that. More rational, more modern, more enlightenment based.

Even if it doesn't deter, some will never be successfully rehabilitated and why should the tax payers shoulder the burden to house, feed, entertain, these criminals as well as DOC personel risk their lives? It's a repugnant notion.

Multiple people have made this point and maybe you guys didn’t read my whole post but I stated the fact that it costs the taxpayer more to go throught the execution legal process than it does life in prison.

You have never been a victim of anything that heinous is my guess as to why you are against the death penalty.

No sorry you are just wrong here. If it was my own mother murdered I wouldn’t want him executed and and I wouldn’t want to go watch any execution either. I really believe in this principle.

 

[Sabu]

As I said, I know you aren't so bright a bulb so I’ll say it again. Yes I’m not for behaving like the murder and killing someone out of a violent impulse, after they have been arrested and are away from the public.

Also, it costs more to execute people in America. So life in prison is cheaper.

To your last sentence, no, it's not. Lol at the forums most retarded, jobless sack of shit saying "you aren't so bright a bulb." Goddamn bitchboy, you are truly stupid.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Carlie Brucia... Say her name!

I will never forget this case!! Carlie Jane Brucia was horrifically Raped and Murdered by Joseph P. Smith after being kidnapped from a car wash near her home in Sarasota, Florida on February 1, 2004 which was caught on surveillance camera video. Smith had a long list of prior arrests for drug-related charges and one for kidnapping and false imprisonment...

Research the case for yourself. Once you do, there will be no way you can tell me that capitol punishment is not justified for these sick bastards!!!

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I think he is a monster and scumbag and vile and a waste of skin but guess what. Killing him just because we have violent impulses towards him would be going down to his level. I think we should be better than that in our justice system.

Also, this is another side point. Death is a release. People think they kill these people they are sending them to hell. There is no hell. That’s a myth. So you are releasing them from their crimes and their conscience in a way.

 

[mrln]

are you high when you make and answer these posts Ivan?
asking for a friend.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

To your last sentence, no, it's not. Lol at the forums most retarded, jobless sack of shit saying "you aren't so bright a bulb." Goddamn bitchboy, you are truly stupid.

Yes it is more expensive, that’s not my opinion, its a fact:

Millions Misspent: What Politicians Don't Say About the High Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Across the country, police are being laid off, prisoners are being released early, the courts are clogged, and crime continues to rise. The...

deathpenaltyinfo.org

https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty

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[Christopher Hitchens]

are you high when you make and answer these posts Ivan?
asking for a friend.

Why do you ask? Answer that and then I’ll answer