Serious I’m Against The Death Penalty. If You Are For It, Why Am I Wrong?

[Sabu]

Yes it is more expensive, that’s not my opinion, its a fact:

Millions Misspent: What Politicians Don't Say About the High Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Across the country, police are being laid off, prisoners are being released early, the courts are clogged, and crime continues to rise. The...

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https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty

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Only if the asshole is kept on death row forever. Been a big problem in this country due to pussies like yourself. If a motherfucker rapes a bunch of kids or kills/tortures someone and it's proven....put em right to death. Pretty simple. I get it though, you're a progressive liberal faggot and can't understand that.

 

[mrln]

Why do you ask? Answer that and then I’ll answer

i already got my answer.
now you need to confirm it or not.

 

[I.P. Freely]

Whatever. I'm not doing this back and forth with someone that's soft and thinks things will all be better in the end. Pedos, murderers, and scumbag humans don't deserve to breathe. Period. That's logic.

 

[mrln]

Yes it is more expensive, that’s not my opinion, its a fact:

Millions Misspent: What Politicians Don't Say About the High Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Across the country, police are being laid off, prisoners are being released early, the courts are clogged, and crime continues to rise. The...

deathpenaltyinfo.org

https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty

Office of Justice Programs | Office of Justice Programs

OJP is the federal government’s leading source of funding and research to strengthen the justice system, support law enforcement, and enhance victim services.

www.ojp.gov

the system is rigged in that way.
it shouldnt cost much to shoot someone in the head. the cost of a bullet is a mere few bux.
you go to court to find if your guilty or not. during that trial,the jury finds you guitly,then there comes with it,a death sentence. this is providing theres overwhelming evidence of guilt. dont want to kill innocents.
now i think i just saved some state,a mil or few.
take the fucker out back,and do the deed. and maybe give the option for the family member of the victim carry out the justice.

 

[methedup77]

I am from Europe, here from 1989-1990 the death penalty is banned unfortunately


A
Of course, 17 years ago I was falsely accused of "killing" my own wife (more precisely, I made her a sick person), but I had no idea what my health problem was, and although everyone else was fully aware of everything but no one said a word
However, the punishment for this was already taken away from me without any kind of trial, right to speak or defense, which is illegal
I received a serious illness that was considered fatal at the time but is now curable "as a gift" for a case in which although others arranged for the situation to become serious on purpose and although everyone knew about it but no one said anything, I was ultimately held responsible for not knowing anything without any trial and was sentenced to a very severe sentence, which is completely illegal

In my opinion, the death penalty is a maximum deterrent because it is the harshest punishment in the world, so many people do not kill for this reason, although maybe if they did not get the death penalty, they would do it
But look, in the USA everyone runs around like an animal from the cocaine, everyone has a gun without any examination or sometimes registration, of course they do the murder and the criminal mind itself or the mind of a mentally ill serial killer is not the same as the mind of a normal person
Not all murderers are caught, that is not true, the identity of thousands of murderers is still unknown, even at the national level

B
I think that although it is hard to sit in prison for the rest of your life, it is unnecessary for the state to support criminals who are really they have clearly proven the fact of the murder, so they can be executed and so with an unnecessary addition, there are fewer who would otherwise only be at the expense of the state and humanity
Generally, the more murderers kill, the more uninhibited they become in the future, so I would make their medical treatment with antipsychotics mandatory in the case of single murderers who are supposedly released but who do not show any change mentally, I would execute them because they do not change anyway


C
Constant terrorizing and harassment, aberrant torture and any humiliation is a prohibited method of execution in all countries
You can't do this to a convicted person, especially not to someone who is innocently convicted because my ex-wife's family doesn't know how to kick the real murderers and then they kick me and my family together
There is no people's court here, the illegal one is also, only a single Judge independent of everyone can hear the case, not the people
The Jews generally like to use the status quo as a tool of cruelty against the innocent
Someone who is severely tortured and humiliated (although the latter is forbidden) will never recover mentally from the thing better than the established official one.
So either you have to help him recover or if he can't, you have to leave him alone, so that he can work as much as he can from the many and long traumas.
If this doesn't happen, the person will never be able to recover mentally from where he was thrown.
It is understandable to be angry if someone killed your mother or father and you feel anger and would not ask for a pardon for their killer except in a conceptual procedure where they do not sentence the killer to death but only someone they want to make an innocent "example" from him or her.
This is not fair at all.


D
Innocent people are executed, usually for this reason they spend about 20-30 years in pretrial detention because if there is no direct evidence or a confession then there is always a chance of error and it is a serious mistake if a person sits or is executed for 20-30 years innocently for a crime he did not commit
DNA erasure is an act against humanity or genocide in the case of a mass action
No one asked for your money dear, and no one's money, so the person cannot be held responsible in this matter.


E
If labor camps were brought back to Europe, whether in the form of a Concentration camps or a Gulag system, it would probably be a more profitable business to force prisoners to work because it would be worth it for the state and the time would pass faster for the convict while he serves his sentence. He would also receive some money or a voucher that can be redeemed for his work.
This working system works here, but the problem is that it is not mandatory for everyone, which is a problem because those who do not work are supported by the state.
It is faster to give an injection to a person who cannot be dealt with and is proven guilty, incapable of changing, even if the system helps him, than to keep him on the state's neck.

Let me explain this to you. D specifically. In Louisiana we have Angola. One of the only self sufficient prisons in the USA. They grow their own crops etc. however! Many prisoners forced to hard labors simply cut their foot off or their hand not to do it. Of course most don’t?

But my vote? Eliminate maximum security prisons all together. If your crime constitutes max prison? Then you’re euthanize them. Period. When the jury states you’re guilty. It’s over. No appeals no nothing. Some will question what about the innocent? There is no innocent. You eliminate appeals and exoneration and it’s back to black and white. If you’re arrested for murder today when you didn’t do it? You were at the right place at the wrong time and damn the luck. But the country would begin to straighten out.

Then the profitable prisons wouldn’t be so profitable. And tax payer money could go towards education annd other things lacking like medical And many other plans. I could write a book on fixing the country. Every aspect of it. And as harsh as it would be? In 20yrs we would be where no guess work is involved. Zero!

 

[Ching_Chong_Come_Catcher]

I’m from the USA and come from that perspective just fyi . I am against the death penalty for the following reasons:

A. It doesn’t deter, like its supporters sometimes say it does. States that execute more have higher murder rates. Also a lot of murder is passion or hatred based and the person isn’t think rationally about punishment they are just so in the moment. Or they are one of these psychopath husbands who kill there wives and think they are so smart they are never going to get caught. Deterrence doesn’t work if they don’t think they are gonna get caught is my point.

B. It doesn’t make the public any more safe. With life in prison they are still separated from the public. Public safety should be one of the main goals of the justices system and killing the perp doesn’t do that.

C. The only purpose it seems to serve is as a blood sacrifice. A revenge killing for that illusory thing called “closure”, that doesn’t come. If someone you love is murdered and horrible things done to them before their death. I don’t believe there is closure for something like that. If you love that person that wound will always be there. Death will be the closure for someone who has experience loss like that.

I don’t think a blood sacrifice is a sufficient reason for killing someone. We as a society, our justice system, should be better than that. Btw I’d feel the same if it was my mom or brother killed. I would of course have violent anger towards them and want to kill them and hurt them. But just because I feel something doesn’t mean I have to give into it. I would tell the prosecutor I don’t want the person excused. If you can’t stick to your principles when it’s extremely hard to, they arent really principles are they.

D. I should have done this reason first, because I think it is the most important. We have executed innocent people. People who were murdered by the state, by us, done in our name, killed and later found to be not guilty. You paid to have innocent people killed. This is outrageous and it totally negates any “justice” done by executing horrifically guilt men. Eliminating the death penalty eliminates the possibility of this outrageous injustice occurring.

E. This is my last reason, I think, unless something somebody says spurs me. Because of how long it takes and how the person that’s condemned, rightly so, has due process and a right to appeal. That it costs the state, costs the taxpayer, costs you and me, more in the long run to execute the person than just giving him life in prison with no parole. So the economics, which is secondary to me than the ethics and justice, favors the abolishment of this human sacrifice practice.

So those are my reasons my little pretties. What am I wrong? Why do you disagree? What do you think I’m missing? Why should it be legal? Fire away.

OR, Do you agree and do you have more reason to add to my list. I’d love to hear them too.

Because some mother fuck(pedo)
Need to die

 

[Norme DePlume]

Let me explain this to you. D specifically. In Louisiana we have Angola. One of the only self sufficient prisons in the USA. They grow their own crops etc. however! Many prisoners forced to hard labors simply cut their foot off or their hand not to do it. Of course most don’t?

But my vote? Eliminate maximum security prisons all together. If your crime constitutes max prison? Then you’re euthanize them. Period. When the jury states you’re guilty. It’s over. No appeals no nothing. Some will question what about the innocent? There is no innocent. You eliminate appeals and exoneration and it’s back to black and white. If you’re arrested for murder today when you didn’t do it? You were at the right place at the wrong time and damn the luck. But the country would begin to straighten out.

Then the profitable prisons wouldn’t be so profitable. And tax payer money could go towards education annd other things lacking like medical And many other plans. I could write a book on fixing the country. Every aspect of it. And as harsh as it would be? In 20yrs we would be where no guess work is involved. Zero!

Studies surveying jurors after a guilty verdict typically show that about 80% agree with the judge’s subsequent sentence. These are ordinary people who sat in the courtroom, heard all the evidence and testimonies, and looked the defendant in the eye.

In cases where individual jurors know a guilty vote means a mandatory death sentence for the accused but believe that punishment doesn’t fit the crime, it could lead to a not guilty vote to avoid having the person’s death on their conscience. Since most trials don’t require a unanimous verdict, just one or two jurors hesitating over a death sentence - even when the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt - could lead to an acquittal.

Do you really want a system where people who clearly committed serious crimes deserving punishment but not death are found not guilty and walk free with no consequences?

And would you seriously advocate abolishing the appellate review function of higher courts? So, you’d be fine with Donald Trump, found guilty last year by a jury of his peers at the New York Supreme Court on 34 counts of felony falsification of business records, being immediately hauled off to jail - with the only thing his lawyers being able to do was offer him a ride home after his release?

People who speak in black-and-white absolutes, claiming they could write THE BOOK on “fixing the country,” often didn’t spend enough time in school or reading and too much time on the meth pipe. Fortunately, the closest someone like you usually gets to a political office is when you’re cleaning it and emptying the trash cans.

"I was gonna call it 'Four and a Half Years of Crystal
Meth Inspired Observations on Liberal Lies, Stupidity
and Cowardice' but me publisher dun talked me
inta' short'nin' it to just 'Mein Meth Pipe'."​

 

[methedup77]

Studies surveying jurors after a guilty verdict typically show that about 80% agree with the judge’s subsequent sentence. These are ordinary people who sat in the courtroom, heard all the evidence and testimonies, and looked the defendant in the eye.

In cases where individual jurors know a guilty vote means a mandatory death sentence for the accused but believe that punishment doesn’t fit the crime, it could lead to a not guilty vote to avoid having the person’s death on their conscience. Since most trials don’t require a unanimous verdict, just one or two jurors hesitating over a death sentence - even when the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt - could lead to an acquittal.

Do you really want a system where people who clearly committed serious crimes deserving punishment but not death are found not guilty and walk free with no consequences?

And would you seriously advocate abolishing the appellate review function of higher courts? So, you’d be fine with Donald Trump, found guilty last year by a jury of his peers at the New York Supreme Court on 34 counts of felony falsification of business records, being immediately hauled off to jail - with the only thing his lawyers being able to do was offer him a ride home after his release?

People who speak in black-and-white absolutes, claiming they could write THE BOOK on “fixing the country,” often didn’t spend enough time in school or reading and too much time on the meth pipe. Fortunately, the closest someone like you usually gets to a political office is when you’re cleaning it and emptying the trash cans.

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and Cowardice' but me publisher dun talked me
inta' short'nin' it to just 'Mein Meth Pipe'."​

Well….you see the jurors? Should be 100% conservative. Who gives a fuck about death and consciousness?

Trump was guilty is the liberal state of New York. They made up most of the crimes. It was a bunch of BS. However! I could care less if Trump was executed? And if that’s how it’d go? Well we can begin to execute Biden, Hunter Biden, Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, bill Clinton, much of congress etc. the books need rewriting. Lawyers need to be executed for taking petty cases to make a dollar. You eliminate the grey areas and it begins to right itself almost immediately.

Give me the % of murderers acquitted please. I bet it’s over 90% convicted. Probably closer to 96%. As far as parent or family member killing the accused? No jail for them. The evidence was already presented… you’re a fucking liberal who sucks tax money for this kind of shit I’m going to assume by your reaction. YOU should be cleaning port o john shitters

Those ppl having a conscious about voting for death? Well then let’s eliminate the jurors shall we? And the judge makes the decision. Death or free? What will it be? He lets too many loose? His head needs to be on a stick. Yes. Savage. But I assure you the thought process of the nation would be fixed real quick. All these liberal fucks in the schools and mental illness would be almost eliminated. The obese would thinned out. The country is fucked due to the law and the lawyers. I could fix that.

 

[Norme DePlume]

Well….you see the jurors? Should be 100% conservative. Who gives a fuck about death and consciousness?

Trump was guilty is the liberal state of New York. They made up most of the crimes. It was a bunch of BS. However! I could care less if Trump was executed? And if that’s how it’d go? Well we can begin to execute Biden, Hunter Biden, Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, bill Clinton, much of congress etc. the books need rewriting. Lawyers need to be executed for taking petty cases to make a dollar. You eliminate the grey areas and it begins to right itself almost immediately.

Give me the % of murderers acquitted please. I bet it’s over 90% convicted. Probably closer to 96%. As far as parent or family member killing the accused? No jail for them. The evidence was already presented… you’re a fucking liberal who sucks tax money for this kind of shit I’m going to assume by your reaction. YOU should be cleaning port o john shitters

You're a fucking idiot.

You want to execute lawyers for "taking petty cases to make a dollar"? Maybe they should introduce the death penalty for double parking as well?

Fuck off, dipshit.

 

[methedup77]

You're a fucking idiot.

You want to execute lawyers for "taking petty cases to make a dollar"? Maybe they should introduce the death penalty for double parking as well?

Fuck off, dipshit.

You must be a cocksucking lawyer! The same dipshit that takes a case on a fender bender to suck the person who bumped from behind is assts to your 33%? The same fuckstick who takes a case to sue a fast food joint for the stupidity of the people burning their lips on coffee and pickles?

You goddamn right we need to execute a few lawyers.

 

[Norme DePlume]

Let me as

You must be a cocksucking lawyer! The same dipshit that takes a case on a fender bender to suck the person who bumped from behind is assts to your 33%? The same fuckstick who takes a case to sue a fast food joint for the stupidity of the people burning their lips on coffee and pickles?

You goddamn right we need to execute a few lawyers.

Let me ask you a question.

If you were at a restaurant... Sorry, your kind doesn't go to restaurants.

Let's start again. If you were at some cheap truck stop diner and the waitress came to refill your cup of coffee and instead poured it on you and you suffered third degree burns, permanent scarring, hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills and losing any income for six months from not being able to work (let's pretend for the purposes of my question that you do work) then do you think you should be able to sue the diner and their insurance company?

 

[methedup77]

Let me as

Let me ask you a question.

If you were at a restaurant... Sorry, your kind doesn't go to restaurants.

Let's start again. If you were at some cheap truck stop diner and the waitress came to refill your cup of coffee and instead poured it on you and you suffered third degree burns, permanent scarring, hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills and losing any income for six months from not being able to work (let's pretend for the purposes of my question that you do work) then do you think you should be able to sue the diner and their insurance company?

Son! I work more hours in a yr than you work in 2.5 yrs sitting at your 40hr part time job. I’ve traveled the globe and I’m extremely proficient in my career and I can actually live off of working 4-5 months out the yr.

Let’s clarify this shall we? First, Stop pretending you don’t understand the context of what I wrote. Take your generalization skills and separate it for a second here if you can even do that? What you stated? Is much different than some dumb cunt coming to you because she spilled coffee on herself and the coffee was too hot or that they burnt their lip on a pickles and can’t give their husband a fucking blowjob or professionally speaking, “ can’t service their husband.” What you stated? Full agreement on that. The law needs to be rewritten. Every aspect.

Eliminating grey areas that you fuck stuck lawyers introduced was NOT for safety, or the better of ppl but to dip your slimy hands deeper in the pot. If someone is on a job and gets hurt? Absolutely sue them. But you see? The law has diminished returns. For instance, the scenario you presented? How about? You make the waitress fully fucking responsible for the medical bills and the lawsuit? That was truly who is responsible is it not? But you see? The waitress gets paid shit. You see dollar signs. So waitress gets fired and the truckstop has the money theeefore solely responsible for what a PERSON. Did to another. And I get it! Everything revolves around money. But in the 70s and 80s? It wasn’t like that. Ppl had pride and if they weren’t that affected? They weren’t so sue happy. So yea let’s go with this: truck stop pays 1/2 the bills, waitress pays the other half. Loses her job. If she can’t pay? She goes to prison for say 5 yrs no early time out. So it incentivizes her to grab another job or 2 asap because she doesn’t want to go to prison. See how easy that is? But no. Let’s hold a business solely responsible because they hold the money and you’re looking to cash in. Because a coffee doesn’t kill anyone. Might get burned but let’s be real. They’re not going to the fucking burn center over a cup of coffee.

How about speeding tickets? For safety or for revenue? Doing 15mph over the speed limit doesn’t kill ppl. It’s slow fucks that kill ppl. Or idiots doing 30+ that kill ppl. But you catch my drift. Its revenue. DUIs. Revenue. Sure it was put in place because we don’t want drunk kings killing other ppl. However it’s solely for revenue.

I’ll be curious to know in the future how the local gubments will increase revenue due to self driving vehicles. No speeding tix, no DUIs, no reckless operation no traffic tickets. I guess they’ll just tax the fuck out of people or just start napoleonic law where they make shit up for revenue?

Lastly, my kind? What kind is that exactly? You’re separating yourself from me and you don’t know a thing about me? You think you’re better than me because you’re a lawyer? Look at the site you’re on you diabolical moron! What kind of lawyer are you? This should be enjoyable….

 

[GuanoLoco]

I think he is a monster and scumbag and vile and a waste of skin but guess what. Killing him just because we have violent impulses towards him would be going down to his level. I think we should be better than that in our justice system.

Also, this is another side point. Death is a release. People think they kill these people they are sending them to hell. There is no hell. That’s a myth. So you are releasing them from their crimes and their conscience in a way.

"Killing him just because we have violent impulses" What the fuck? that is not why we should end his life. We should end it so that he cannot act on his urges ever again. There is no way to guarantee that somehow, someway a sick fuck like this will never escape. And if he did, the first thing he'll want is a fresh little girl to fulfill his sinister desires. Are you volunteering your daughter? Why are you OK with putting everyone else's daughter at risk? This guy did not even deserve the luxury of life. I'm glad he is dead, I'm just sad that Carlie's parents didn't get the chance to watch him die!

 

[Norme DePlume]

Son! I work more hours in a yr than you work in 2.5 yrs sitting at your 40hr part time job. I’ve traveled the globe and I’m extremely proficient in my career and I can actually live off of working 4-5 months out the yr.

Let’s clarify this shall we? First, Stop pretending you don’t understand the context of what I wrote. Take your generalization skills and separate it for a second here if you can even do that? What you stated? Is much different than some dumb cunt coming to you because she spilled coffee on herself and the coffee was too hot or that they burnt their lip on a pickles and can’t give their husband a fucking blowjob or professionally speaking, “ can’t service their husband.” What you stated? Full agreement on that. The law needs to be rewritten. Every aspect.

Eliminating grey areas that you fuck stuck lawyers introduced was NOT for safety, or the better of ppl but to dip your slimy hands deeper in the pot. If someone is on a job and gets hurt? Absolutely sue them. But you see? The law has diminished returns. For instance, the scenario you presented? How about? You make the waitress fully fucking responsible for the medical bills and the lawsuit? That was truly who is responsible is it not? But you see? The waitress gets paid shit. You see dollar signs. So waitress gets fired and the truckstop has the money theeefore solely responsible for what a PERSON. Did to another. And I get it! Everything revolves around money. But in the 70s and 80s? It wasn’t like that. Ppl had pride and if they weren’t that affected? They weren’t so sue happy. So yea let’s go with this: truck stop pays 1/2 the bills, waitress pays the other half. Loses her job. If she can’t pay? She goes to prison for say 5 yrs no early time out. So it incentivizes her to grab another job or 2 asap because she doesn’t want to go to prison. See how easy that is? But no. Let’s hold a business solely responsible because they hold the money and you’re looking to cash in. Because a coffee doesn’t kill anyone. Might get burned but let’s be real. They’re not going to the fucking burn center over a cup of coffee.

How about speeding tickets? For safety or for revenue? Doing 15mph over the speed limit doesn’t kill ppl. It’s slow fucks that kill ppl. Or idiots doing 30+ that kill ppl. But you catch my drift. Its revenue. DUIs. Revenue. Sure it was put in place because we don’t want drunk kings killing other ppl. However it’s solely for revenue.

I’ll be curious to know in the future how the local gubments will increase revenue due to self driving vehicles. No speeding tix, no DUIs, no reckless operation no traffic tickets. I guess they’ll just tax the fuck out of people or just start napoleonic law where they make shit up for revenue?

Lastly, my kind? What kind is that exactly? You’re separating yourself from me and you don’t know a thing about me? You think you’re better than me because you’re a lawyer? Look at the site you’re on you diabolical moron! What kind of lawyer are you? This should be enjoyable….

Jesus. I could literally feel my IQ level dropping as I plowed through that stream of near unconsciousness dribble.

What the fuck was I even thinking engaging in a "debate" with someone with the username of "methedup77"?

 

[methedup77]

Jesus. I could literally feel my IQ level dropping as I plowed through that stream of near unconsciousness dribble.

What the fuck was I even thinking engaging in a "debate" with someone with the username of "methedup77"?

You’re just too fucking stupid to comprehend is your problem. Remind me never to hire your pathetic ass to represent me in court. You’re a massive failure who sucks off your local government you petty Theif, piece of shit leech

 

[methedup77]

the system is rigged in that way.
it shouldnt cost much to shoot someone in the head. the cost of a bullet is a mere few bux.
you go to court to find if your guilty or not. during that trial,the jury finds you guitly,then there comes with it,a death sentence. this is providing theres overwhelming evidence of guilt. dont want to kill innocents.
now i think i just saved some state,a mil or few.
take the fucker out back,and do the deed. and maybe give the option for the family member of the victim carry out the justice.

Just don’t get Norme DePlume involved. He’ll suck off the murderer if it means an extra dollar in his pocket

 

[Htos1av]

...because jewish "lawmakers" USE blacks/criminals in a clower-piven part of chaos on normal people. Over and over again, that's why.

 

[mrln]

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and Cowardice' but me publisher dun talked me
inta' short'nin' it to just 'Mein Meth Pipe'."​

dude whats up with your hand?

 

[GarGoil]

Kill them all.

 

[Norme DePlume]

dude whats up with your hand?

Inbreeding and compulsive masturbation.