Monday is Confederate Memorial Day. Why does MS still celebrate it and what does it mean?

[bipolar_transistor]

A bunch of guys died because Abraham Lincoln was an asshole. I have no problem with it. Slavery was wrong however how many other places had a war to end it , not many. Where the Yankees ended the slaveowners were compensated. The tore down monuments in my state, the government did not care. I hope they put up a statue of Fentanyl Floyd on the Capitol grounds. My great great grand father slaughtered marines at Ft Fisher. Hope the current have smarter leaders. He was in the artillery. My town is full of Yankees the have no love of the past. The have pride parades They vote for democrats thus homeless on every corner and a sanctuary city government. A sheriff deputy was killed by two previously deported brothers . No death penalty for them. Why do democrats love cop killers?

 

[JawshSB]

He and @JawshSB should get a room. Two admitted cocksuckers.

So you can watch? Cuck monkey

 

[djdeeds]

"I don’t think confederate soldiers or generals should be honored or memorialized because their cause was not honorable"

I feel exactly the same way about BLM protestors and the George Floyd statues.

 

[CletusYeetus]

Honoring American war dead should not become a political fight. Typical woke bullshit.

What the fuck do you think Memorial Day and Veteran's day is for???
This is dumbass racists refusing to let go of the past. You clearly know nothing of ‘woke’ culture

 

[Solomon Kane]

What the fuck do you think Memorial Day and Veteran's day is for??

And these commemorate civil war deaths?

This is dumbass racists refusing to let go of the past. You clearly know nothing of ‘woke’ culture

 

[Father Corpse]

"I don’t think confederate soldiers or generals should be honored or memorialized because their cause was not honorable"

I feel exactly the same way about BLM protestors and the George Floyd statues.

That’s a great point and analogy.

 

[hedgerow]

After Reconstruction (final destruction), there was a huge push to re-unite the US as one nation.
That's why so many statues of Southerners went up. It was to honor their history, not to put-down black people.
It's important to remember that The War Between The States was an Honorable Cause.
If the Colonies could break away from England (1st Civil War), then the South could break away from the North (2nd Civil War).

^ General Robert E Lee. The greatest man to ever wear the uniform. A true Gentleman and a Scholar.

 

[Grand Mal Caesar]

what are your thoughts on this, Eric Blair? Since you posted the article you must have an opinion on it?

He's a troll. His thought on the subject is to go against whatever the common consensus is in regard to whatever he posted. Why even bother with this asshole?

 

[Father Corpse]

He's a troll. His thought on the subject is to go against whatever the common consensus is in regard to whatever he posted. Why even bother with this asshole?

I don’t get out to fishing as much as I once did. This is second best.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Vast majority of southerners were not slave owners, but they were proud to be southern. And they did not want some other state of ppl telling them that 1. Their way of life for generations, is wrong 2. Forced to change.

Yes there “way of life”. That way of life being white supremacy. Slavery and white supremacy is not something worth fighting for, and it isn’t to be memorialized by glorifying the people who fought in the army that was fighting for those causes.

It wasn’t another state, they left because a federal election didn’t go their way. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery into new territories, not banning it in states where it already exists. Their “way of life” wasn’t threatened, the expansion of their “way of life”. That way of life meaning slavery, white supremacy, denying people their constitutional rights.

That way of life deserved to be destroyed and I have no respect for my ancestors who fought for it.

The vast majority fought for their state, their town, their family’s pride.

I wouldn’t say vast majority. Perhaps a majority. Again I don’t care if they rationalized it to themselves to think that. Or they were convinced by their leaders that that was true. IN ACTUALITY They fought to destroy the Union and to expand slavery. These people are not to be honored and statues built to them.

The south did not have the influx of Irish and German immigrants to fill their ranks, nor the industry to produce war material. That they fought for what they believed in IS honorable.

The south lost on the battlefield, as well as in industry and population. I agree that fighting for what you believe in is admirable, buts it’s not honorable unless the cause is honorable. but you can’t just isolate that, you have to look at the cause and the beliefs as well. Also them fighting for what they believe in being honorable doesn’t mean that we should build statues glorifying and honoring the confederacy, often tinged with lost cause mythology.

Please explain to me how it’s ok and right to have a monument treating the confederacy and its cause as glorious and honorable, perhaps with a “if only they won because their cause was just” attitude floating around?

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

He's a troll. His thought on the subject is to go against whatever the common consensus is in regard to whatever he posted. Why even bother with this asshole?

No im not a “troll” I belive in what I say. I don’t care if the majority is with me are not. Unlike you I don’t pay attention to that because it’s meaningless bullshit and isn’t even the beginning of an argument.

You are fucking punk that tries to get people to not engage with me because you don’t like someone outside your cult making good arguments and points. You want to keep your fellow cult member in the cult and argument and reason is dangerous to people like you. All you have is to dismiss me as a troll.

Father Corpse and everyone else can decide whether they want to have a conversation or argument with me. They can decide if i am sincere or not. Grow up or fuck off

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

I don’t get out to fishing as much as I once did. This is second best.

Why do you think I’m being a troll. What possible fucking evidence do you have of that? Oh yea none except you don’t like what I say.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

He and @JawshSB should get a room. Two admitted cocksuckers.

It’s better than be a closeted cocksucker as you are you pathetic worm.

 

[Father Corpse]

Yes there “way of life”. That way of life being white supremacy. Slavery and white supremacy is not something worth fighting for, and it isn’t to be memorialized by glorifying the people who fought in the army that was fighting for those causes.

It wasn’t another state, they left because a federal election didn’t go their way. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery into new territories, not banning it in states where it already exists. Their “way of life” wasn’t threatened, the expansion of their “way of life”. That way of life meaning slavery, white supremacy, denying people their constitutional rights.

That way of life deserved to be destroyed and I have no respect for my ancestors who fought for it.

I wouldn’t say vast majority. Perhaps a majority. Again I don’t care if they rationalized it to themselves to think that. Or they were convinced by their leaders that that was true. IN ACTUALITY They fought to destroy the Union and to expand slavery. These people are not to be honored and statues built to them.

The south lost on the battlefield, as well as in industry and population. I agree that fighting for what you believe in is admirable, buts it’s not honorable unless the cause is honorable. but you can’t just isolate that, you have to look at the cause and the beliefs as well. Also them fighting for what they believe in being honorable doesn’t mean that we should build statues glorifying and honoring the confederacy, often tinged with lost cause mythology.

Please explain to me how it’s ok and right to have a monument treating the confederacy and its cause as glorious and honorable, perhaps with a “if only they won because their cause was just” attitude floating around?

Southerners were staunch patriots and loved their heritage. They honored men of the revolution and held them in high regard. They felt they were as American as anyone else.

They just didn’t want shit to change, nor be told they needed to. So they opposed it and eventually lost. Then lost again during reconstruction.

I’m not advocating for slavery. But from what I’ve read, slave owners largely treated their slaves as valuable property. Not nearly as harsh as what appears in movies, bc that doesn’t make for good drama. Slaves were revered as family in many cases, being the ones raising the children and taking care of their owners.

But whatever, there’s nothing I can say that will ‘change your mind’ and that’s fine.

 

[Father Corpse]

Why do you think I’m being a troll. What possible fucking evidence do you have of that? Oh yea none except you don’t like what I say.

I didn’t call you a troll. I said I fish for content in threads like these, when he asked why I engage with you.

 

[(G.O.A.T.) Tubemonkey]

It’s better than be a closeted cocksucker as you are you pathetic worm.

You actually believe that sucking dick makes you better somehow? I suppose it beats the other possibility for you though. Completely involuntarily celibate.

The only closet I've ever been in is the one my (female) wife locks me up in from time to time.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Southerners were staunch patriots and loved their heritage. They honored men of the revolution and held them in high regard. They felt they were as American as anyone else.

The colonists were being denied their rights and they didn’t have representation in congress. The confederacy had their right and their representation and they were actively fighting to keep human beings as slaves, stripping them of their rights.

Would you talk like this about Germans in the under Hitler? They honored their ancestors in ww1 and felt German and all this crap about their homeland. What would be someone’s prupose to do that except to excuse and justify Hitler Germany. Why would you keep doing that except to justify and excuse the confederacy?

Also I’ll say it for a third time. It doesn’t matter if the common soldier was fighting for slavery personally. When you join and army and follow leaders orders who are 100 percent fighting for that, you are tainting with that cause. You are fighting for it whether you want to face it or not. Why is that not true?

They just didn’t want shit to change, nor be told they needed to. So they opposed it and eventually lost. Then lost again during reconstruction.

I already said nothing was going to change for them except expanding slavery. Why do you keep repeating that and pretending I didn’t make that point. The confederate were fighting to protect and expand slavery
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org...recon/cwcause/Stephens Cornerstone Speech.pdf

South Carolina Declaration of Secession (1860) | Constitution Center

National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for South Carolina Declaration of Secession (1860)

constitutioncenter.org

There are countless more examples like this. Saying it wasn’t is not opinion, you are factual wrong. It’s historical fact.

I’m not advocating for slavery. But from what I’ve read, slave owners largely treated their slaves as valuable property. Not nearly as harsh as what appears in movies, bc that doesn’t make for good drama. Slaves were revered as family in many cases, being the ones raising the children and taking care of their owners.

You may not being advocating it but you are doing apologetics for it. “Largely” is the key word here and you could still rape your slaves and not damage the “property”. Simply holding them as property is inhuman, it doesn’t matter how little you whip them.

Yes it was that harsh. Was it like that all the time and all places, no. Mostly they were doing backbreaking labor in the fields for no pay, which doesn’t make for good on screen drama either, but is just as horrible as the whipping.

Only the privilege house servant slaves would be treated like this and no they weren’t seen as equals and not as the white family. Also these types of slaves ran away too.

But whatever, there’s nothing I can say that will ‘change your mind’ and that’s fine.

I never said this thread was about to change my mind I don’t think, and no I won’t change my mind in the main principle of this because I’m not a lost causer.

 

[Sabu]

Why do you think I’m being a troll. What possible fucking evidence do you have of that? Oh yea none except you don’t like what I say.

You're not a "troll." You're a woke progressive liberal retard.

 

[Norme DePlume]

I’m not advocating for slavery. But from what I’ve read, slave owners largely treated their slaves as valuable property. Not nearly as harsh as what appears in movies, bc that doesn’t make for good drama. Slaves were revered as family in many cases, being the ones raising the children and taking care of their owners.

Sounds like you're more advocating for utter stupidity.

"Looks like I'm gonna have to whip
some more understanding into
how revered you are by your
loving family, boy."​

 

[Father Corpse]

Sounds like you're more advocating for utter stupidity.

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"Looks like I'm gonna have to whip
some more understanding into
how revered you are by your
loving family, boy."​

Only the uppity ones get that treatment.

I’d imagine you’d be flayed and sold as a field nigger.