How much electricity do you use?

[K.I.T.T.]

Anyone complaining about their electric bill needs to consider that electricity isn't a "right". It's a convenient product, and for the price, it's a very good deal.

 

[hedgerow]

Anyone complaining about their electric bill needs to consider that electricity isn't a "right". It's a convenient product, and for the price, it's a very good deal.

if you were an electric car, instead of a V8 gasoline one, you wouldn't be saying that

 

[Mark328]

Depends if I got a grow on the go

 

[K.I.T.T.]

if you were an electric car, instead of a V8 gasoline one, you wouldn't be saying that

Meh, I was being serious. For the convenience, comfort and luxury that electricity provides, it's dirt cheap... Now leave me alone, I've got to go turn on every appliance in the house and bask in the electric glow of frivolous consumerism.

 

[mrln]

Connecticut consistently ranks among the states with the highest electricity rates in the U.S..
I keep going around and shutting the lights off after my wife. Like as if shes some fucking child! Shit drives me crazy.

 

[Lovinight]

i have no idea, but the lights stay on, because i have the bills on auto-pay

R U crazy, they can fuck you all kinds of ways without you knowing on auto pay.

 

[Amata]

Anyone complaining about their electric bill needs to consider that electricity isn't a "right". It's a convenient product, and for the price, it's a very good deal.

No, it is not recognized as a "human right" BUT it is essential for covering other human rights: right to education, right to food, right to health etc. Not to mention the "need" - for instance managing your finances (paying rent, energy bill, utility companies, to name a few) has become increasingly difficult without the possibility of going online. Online = digital device = electricity.

So there is a conflict in that respect.

 

[Lovinight]

Connecticut consistently ranks among the states with the highest electricity rates in the U.S..
I keep going around and shutting the lights off after my wife. Like as if shes some fucking child! Shit drives me crazy.

I live in So. Cal., (it's hot AF), I keep the laundry room door closed as a buffer between the rest of the house and garage. My husband comes home, leaves the laundry room door open, and rarely closes the garage door all the way when he is going in and out, the a/c thermostat is right there in the hall, by the laundry room door. The A/C will run constant to the point it it actually too cold everywhere else but by the thermostat. I'm the one who keeps the temp as low as it is, but I do everything I can to minimize the need for it to kick on. I actually don't care for the noise, or the actual cold air blowing down, I wish I could just keep the house cool without the dang thing running all the time. (I know I sound like a head case, this middle age thermostat is hell, especially the night sweats). I can take a shower with the air blowing down all day, my husband has to turn it off for a shower.

You want to know something crazy, from what I understand, this is fact, just think, if oil is not limited like we're told, gas prices aren't the only way they exploit us.

My monthly usage is between 1,200-1.700 KWH, but we have solar (it came with the house) so the highest bill we have is now around $200, the lowest is $16.00, but we have that once a year bill that is around $800, still, it's better than the $500 a month plus bills that some people around here pay.

 

[K.I.T.T.]

No, it is not recognized as a "human right" BUT it is essential for covering other human rights: right to education, right to food, right to health etc. Not to mention the "need" - for instance managing your finances (paying rent, energy bill, utility companies, to name a few) has become increasingly difficult without the possibility of going online. Online = digital device = electricity.

So there is a conflict in that respect.

Um, no...

What the fuck do you think people did before electricity? As far as the human timeline goes, electricity is brand new. It's not essential. The Amish are an excellent example of this. Modern day people living entirely without electricity and not just living, thriving.

You seem to be mistaking convenience for rights.

 

[hedgerow]

R U crazy, they can fuck you all kinds of ways without you knowing on auto pay.

i may be a little bit crazy, but smart enough to check my statements for any discrepancies...and have never found any

now i'm curious, how can they fuck me in all kinds of ways without me knowing? It almost sounds like fun.

 

[Amata]

Um, no...

What the fuck do you think people did before electricity? As far as the human timeline goes, electricity is brand new. It's not essential. The Amish are an excellent example of this. Modern day people living entirely without electricity and not just living, thriving.

You seem to be mistaking convenience for rights.

I did not speak of "convenience" I spoke of "needs". Electricity in this society is a basic need. For many more people than you would think. For instance someone on dialysis and other treatments that need power = electricity.
I gave a few examples where electricity is non-dispensable. In my previous post. But perhaps you don't need the internet for getting to your bank account. In my country it has been made practically impossible to do so offline.

Sure, you can live off grid, entirely even, but that would involve a radical change of society. And I don't see that happening .

What people did before electricity? That's is an impossible comparison, because our entire society has become reliant on electricity. From elevators to the most insignificant household compliances. Look around you and see how society works.

(I know what "people" did "before electricity" - I was raised in the wilds, and we had none, we lived like the Amish. For that matter, I am still a huge exception seeing I hardly use any apparatuses that require electricity, but I can still see that it has become a basic need for most others. )

 

[K.I.T.T.]

I did not speak of "convenience" I spoke of "needs". Electricity in this society is a basic need. For many more people than you would think. For instance someone on dialysis and other treatments that need power = electricity. (DELETED TO SAVE ELECTRICITY)

For modern society it has become a need. However, nobody is forcing anyone else to use products that require electricity. As far as things like dialysis go, that's a completely different story and not even in the same ballpark as this thread's title: "How much electricity do you use?"

You replied to my statement:

Anyone complaining about their electric bill needs to consider that electricity isn't a "right". It's a convenient product, and for the price, it's a very good deal.

with

No, it is not recognized as a "human right" BUT it is essential for covering other human rights: right to education, right to food, right to health etc. Not to mention the "need" - for instance managing your finances (paying rent, energy bill, utility companies, to name a few) has become increasingly difficult without the possibility of going online. Online = digital device = electricity.

So there is a conflict in that respect.

So let's address the root of your statement: electricity is essential to cover other human rights.

Education? Not at all. The redistribution of knowledge only requires a teacher and a student. There's plenty of books on the planet, too.

Food? You're kidding, right? Raise your own cattle and grow your own vegetables. Plant some fruit trees while you're at it.

Health? I could spend a day discussing this one, but consider that readily available electricity has enabled modern society to quickly grab a "meal" from a drive-through window. Microwaveable foods are an unhealthy convenience. Cooking on the stovetop usually involves something canned, boxed or frozen. And where has that gotten us as a society? The modern human diet (which is 100% reliant upon electricity) is almost EXCLUSIVELY responsible for the multitude of preventable diseases on this planet.

Long story short, our desire for convenience has created most of our problems.

But let's negate all of that and circle back to my original statement and your first response: Fuck off. Electricity is dirt fucking cheap for what it provides. Let me give you a few examples of how this is true:

Remove the heating and cooling system from your home. Guess what? You can stay warm in the winter with a fireplace, but there's that effort involved in chopping wood, or paying for oil or coal to burn.

How about washing your clothes? Imagine doing that shit by hand. To do an entire load of laundry for one day for a family of four (washing, rinsing and hanging the clothes out to dry) would require what, 8 hours? Your machines two it in one or maybe two? How much is that time worth? Washing clothes by hand should be worth at least minimum wage, right? So, we'll call minimum wage $10 per hour (it varies a LOT, but this is just an example). So, that is $80 worth of labor. It might cost you $3.00 in electricity to do that shit with your machines.

Electricity is cheap for the convenience, comfort and labor it provides. Quit bitching about it. If it's too high for your budget, you're using it poorly and incorrectly.

 

[Venture _Capitalist]

 

[Lovinight]

How about washing your clothes? Imagine doing that shit by hand. To do an entire load of laundry for one day for a family of four (washing, rinsing and hanging the clothes out to dry) would require what, 8 hours? Your machines two it in one or maybe two? How much is that time worth? Washing clothes by hand should be worth at least minimum wage, right? So, we'll call minimum wage $10 per hour (it varies a LOT, but this is just an example). So, that is $80 worth of labor. It might cost you $3.00 in electricity to do that shit with your machines.

The washing machine is the one thing I would hate to lose, especially after washing some light laundry in the sink from time to time, it's amazing how dirty clothes that appear clean can be. Though I imagine constructing some kind of belt driven apparatus attached to a bicycle type set up would do the trick to agitate the clothes, jeans would be stiff and socks crunchy if hung to dry, but I would love to see what inventions people would come up with if they actually had to turn their creative thinking caps again. I'm not so sure most folks could actually find their way out of the box anymore?

 

[Torta Gordita]

Me: speaks in Florida.

It's MFn hot in the 100s and my AC never shuts off but my bill is anywhere been $300-$400 a month until December

 

[Lovinight]

No, it is not recognized as a "human right" BUT it is essential for covering other human rights: right to education, right to food, right to health etc. Not to mention the "need" - for instance managing your finances (paying rent, energy bill, utility companies, to name a few) has become increasingly difficult without the possibility of going online. Online = digital device = electricity.

So there is a conflict in that respect.

socialist much? If I were in the mood, I would definitely debate you on those "human rights"!

 

[Sauerkraut]

Government continue to levy taxes and corporate surcharges, so my electric bills continue to increase.