The World’s Oldest Map of the Stars, Lost for Thousands of Years, Has Been Found in the Pages of a Medieval Parchment (1 Viewer)

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This cross-fade montage shows a detail of the palimpsest under ordinary lighting; under multispectral analysis; and with a reconstruction of the hidden text from long-lost star catalogue of the ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus. Photo by Early Manuscripts Electronic Library/Lazarus Project, University of Rochester; multispectral processing by Keith T. Knox; tracings by Emanuel Zingg, courtesy of the Museum of the Bible Collection, ©Museum of the Bible, 2021.
This cross-fade montage shows a detail of the palimpsest under ordinary lighting; under multispectral analysis; and with a reconstruction of the hidden text from long-lost star catalogue of the ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus. Photo by Early Manuscripts Electronic Library/Lazarus Project, University of Rochester; multispectral processing by Keith T. Knox; tracings by Emanuel Zingg; courtesy of the Museum of the Bible Collection, ©Museum of the Bible, 2021

Scholars have discovered part of the ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus’s long-lost star catalogue of the—believed to be the first map of the stars—in a manuscript from a Greek Orthodox monastery in Egypt.

The historic document, which comprises 146 folios, comes from St. Catherine’s in the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt, and the majority is now in the collection of the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.

A new study published this week in the Journal for the History of Astronomy reveals that it is palimpsest manuscript, in which the original ink had been scraped off to reuse the parchment for a new project—and that traces of the original writings can still be deciphered, revealing what appears to be a reference to Hipparchus’s ambitious project to map the stars, including star coordinates.

Astronomy historian James Evans told the journal Nature that it was a “rare” and “remarkable” find.

Egypt's St. Catherines Greek Orthodox Monastery on Mount Sinai, dating from 337 C.E. Photo by: Federico Meneghetti/REDA and CO/Universal Images Group via Getty Images.

Egypt’s St. Catherines Greek Orthodox Monastery on Mount Sinai, dating from 337 C.E. Photo by: Federico Meneghetti/REDA and CO/Universal Images Group via Getty Images.

The relevant part of the manuscript is the Codex Climaci Rescriptus, a collection of writings in Syriac, an ancient dialect of Aramaic that features in many early Christian texts. The existence of earlier Greek writing on the parchment was first discovered in 2012 by a student named Jamie Klair, who was examining it as part of a summer assignment for biblical scholar Peter Williams at the University of Cambridge

In 2017, researchers at the Early Manuscripts Electronic Library in Rolling Hills Estates, California, and the University of Rochester in New York examined the pages using multispectral imaging, taking 42 photos of each folio in a variety of light wavelengths.

Using computer algorithms to determine what combination of images would best reveal the underlying text, the team found astronomical materials on nine folios, including Eratosthenes’s star-origin myths and the third-century poem Phaenomena, about the constellations.

But the most significant discovery was almost overlooked, until Williams realized there were a set of star coordinates on the images. He turned the passage over to Victor Gysembergh of the French National Scientific Research Centre and Emmanuel Zingg of the Sorbonne University, who confirmed what he was seeing.


The page-long passage gives measurements in degrees for the constellation Corona Borealis, with coordinates for the stars on all four edges. Such observations shift over time as the Earth wobbles on its axis in a phenomenon known as procession, which means it’s possible to determine when these observations would have ben made—in roughly 129 BCE.

That’s not far off from when Hipparchus was believed to have been conducting his work, between 190 and 120 BCE. Because telescopes were not yet invented, he would have used less useful surveying tools such as a dioptra sighting tube or a model of objects in the sky called an armillary sphere or spherical astrolabe.

The long-lost text seems to confirm the written historical sources from ancient times that name Hipparchus as the first person to measure the stars. (He is also credited with discovering procession.) And experts also believe that similarly worded star coordinates in the Aratus Latinus, a medieval Latin manuscript, are also probably from Hipparchus.

The new fragment makes this much, much clearer,” astronomy historian Mathieu Ossendrijver, of the Free University of Berlin, told Nature. “This star catalogue that has been hovering in the literature as an almost hypothetical thing has become very concrete.”

Previously, antiquity’s only known surviving star catalogue came from Claudius Ptolemy of Egypt, who worked in the second century C.E. Early studies suggest that Hipparchus was actually more accurate in his observations that the later astronomer.

“Two years ago, I would never have hoped to witness such a discovery within my lifetime, let alone be a part of it,” Gysembergh told Vice. “This makes me optimistic that more passages from the catalogue will be recovered in the future.… there are thousands of palimpsests and damaged manuscripts around the world that would benefit from multispectral imaging.”

 

igotyour40acres

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It "wobbles" every 25,600 years, moron. You're not going to see it with one 6 hour exposure. Read a book, nigger.
Why don't you eat a dick you smooth brain cuck. You think if we were flying through the universe at half a million miles/hour, we would see the same fucking stars every night for 10,000 years? Wobble your low-testosterone ass to the library and grab a book that doesn't use cartoon characters to explain shit.
 

Zargon the great

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Once again, Goregrish introduces the reader with something fascinating and thought-provoking. Maybe Carl Sagen was right. If ancient Greece could have continued uninterrupted, and The Library of Alexandria had not been burned to the ground, Civilization would be thousands of years ahead of where we are now.
 

Guipago

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Once again, Goregrish introduces the reader with something fascinating and thought-provoking. Maybe Carl Sagen was right. If ancient Greece could have continued uninterrupted, and The Library of Alexandria had not been burned to the ground, Civilization would be thousands of years ahead of where we are now.
Very good point.
 

Lips_of_Anubis

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Why don't you eat a dick you smooth brain cuck. You think if we were flying through the universe at half a million miles/hour, we would see the same fucking stars every night for 10,000 years? Wobble your low-testosterone ass to the library and grab a book that doesn't use cartoon characters to explain shit.
Would it blow you mind to know that all the stars are flying around the same central point in our galaxy at the same time? The reason we can't see them move is because of the same reason you don't see perceive mountains moving in the distance when you're driving a car at 70 mph, but you see trees flying past you. It's an illusion called "parallax". The mountains are still moving relative to you at 70 mph, but they just appear to not move at all.

Furthermore, you dense, uneducated nignog, The stars in our galaxy are all orbiting in a nearly circular path around the center of the galaxy. They do this because the immense combined mass of the galaxy, most if it near the center, creates immense gravity that pulls all the stars in our galaxy into circular orbits. Each star does not careen randomly about like you drunk on malt liquor. Rather, each star travels on a smooth, nearly-straight trajectory as dictated by its own momentum and the local gravitational field.

More about parallax: The Milky Way Galaxy is 300,000 light years in circumference. The sun travels around the Milky Way at 828,000 km/hr (0.00000008.7 the speed of light). At that rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way! That said, humans have only been mapping the skies for a few thousand years. Not NEARLY long enough to see a constellation change. And definitely not long enough for you to see it in your short, pathetic life.

No one is lying to you about how the universe works as some huge conspiracy. You're just to fucking lazy (or possibly unfit) to educate yourself, you dirty little nignog.
 

igotyour40acres

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Would it blow you mind to know that all the stars are flying around the same central point in our galaxy at the same time? The reason we can't see them move is because of the same reason you don't see perceive mountains moving in the distance when you're driving a car at 70 mph, but you see trees flying past you. It's an illusion called "parallax". The mountains are still moving relative to you at 70 mph, but they just appear to not move at all.

Furthermore, you dense, uneducated nignog, The stars in our galaxy are all orbiting in a nearly circular path around the center of the galaxy. They do this because the immense combined mass of the galaxy, most if it near the center, creates immense gravity that pulls all the stars in our galaxy into circular orbits. Each star does not careen randomly about like you drunk on malt liquor. Rather, each star travels on a smooth, nearly-straight trajectory as dictated by its own momentum and the local gravitational field.

More about parallax: The Milky Way Galaxy is 300,000 light years in circumference. The sun travels around the Milky Way at 828,000 km/hr (0.00000008.7 the speed of light). At that rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way! That said, humans have only been mapping the skies for a few thousand years. Not NEARLY long enough to see a constellation change. And definitely not long enough for you to see it in your short, pathetic life.

No one is lying to you about how the universe works as some huge conspiracy. You're just to fucking lazy (or possibly unfit) to educate yourself, you dirty little nignog.

Would it blow you mind to know that all the stars are flying around the same central point in our galaxy at the same time? The reason we can't see them move is because of the same reason you don't see perceive mountains moving in the distance when you're driving a car at 70 mph, but you see trees flying past you. It's an illusion called "parallax". The mountains are still moving relative to you at 70 mph, but they just appear to not move at all.

Furthermore, you dense, uneducated nignog, The stars in our galaxy are all orbiting in a nearly circular path around the center of the galaxy. They do this because the immense combined mass of the galaxy, most if it near the center, creates immense gravity that pulls all the stars in our galaxy into circular orbits. Each star does not careen randomly about like you drunk on malt liquor. Rather, each star travels on a smooth, nearly-straight trajectory as dictated by its own momentum and the local gravitational field.

More about parallax: The Milky Way Galaxy is 300,000 light years in circumference. The sun travels around the Milky Way at 828,000 km/hr (0.00000008.7 the speed of light). At that rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way! That said, humans have only been mapping the skies for a few thousand years. Not NEARLY long enough to see a constellation change. And definitely not long enough for you to see it in your short, pathetic life.

No one is lying to you about how the universe works as some huge conspiracy. You're just to fucking lazy (or possibly unfit) to educate yourself, you dirty little nignog.
I get everything you just plagiarized from google. And I understand how gravity works. And I understand relatively, you incel limp dick. However, given that the theories dealing with celestial mechanics all "revolve" around gravity holding everything, stars, planets, solar systems etc in position relative to each other, any new black hole that forms would disrupt the gravitational harmony of everything around it, throwing entire solar systems, including STARS, into deep space. Even Einstein theorized that a single disruption of the graitational forces inside a solar system, like a collapsing star or black hole, could cause a problem that ripples out of control and obliterates any neighboring solar systems. I know your extra chromosome prohibits you from forming independent thoughts, and because your wife left you for your one black friend, you find it necessary to lash out at me, but it's ok to question science. That's how science works. NASA designs all their rockets and telemetry off of a flat stationary earth model. Go stick your finger up their asses.
 

Lips_of_Anubis

Barks Up Wrong Trees On Thin Ice
I get everything you just plagiarized from google. And I understand how gravity works. And I understand relatively, you incel limp dick. However, given that the theories dealing with celestial mechanics all "revolve" around gravity holding everything, stars, planets, solar systems etc in position relative to each other, any new black hole that forms would disrupt the gravitational harmony of everything around it, throwing entire solar systems, including STARS, into deep space. Even Einstein theorized that a single disruption of the graitational forces inside a solar system, like a collapsing star or black hole, could cause a problem that ripples out of control and obliterates any neighboring solar systems. I know your extra chromosome prohibits you from forming independent thoughts, and because your wife left you for your one black friend, you find it necessary to lash out at me, but it's ok to question science. That's how science works. NASA designs all their rockets and telemetry off of a flat stationary earth model. Go stick your finger up their asses.
Wow. You’re a flat earther? Say no more.

By the way, it’s obvious to everyone, not just me, that all of your insults are just projections of your own insecurities. You’re transparent and deeply insecure.

Hence why you think millions or billions of people are lying to you about the shape of the earth. Your mother and father lied to you when they said they loved you, and that left some deep emotional wounds. We get it. But not everyone is out to get you, and this reality isn’t a huge conspiracy against you like your childhood was.
 

Zargon the great

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Would it blow you mind to know that all the stars are flying around the same central point in our galaxy at the same time? The reason we can't see them move is because of the same reason you don't see perceive mountains moving in the distance when you're driving a car at 70 mph, but you see trees flying past you. It's an illusion called "parallax". The mountains are still moving relative to you at 70 mph, but they just appear to not move at all.

Furthermore, you dense, uneducated nignog, The stars in our galaxy are all orbiting in a nearly circular path around the center of the galaxy. They do this because the immense combined mass of the galaxy, most if it near the center, creates immense gravity that pulls all the stars in our galaxy into circular orbits. Each star does not careen randomly about like you drunk on malt liquor. Rather, each star travels on a smooth, nearly-straight trajectory as dictated by its own momentum and the local gravitational field.

More about parallax: The Milky Way Galaxy is 300,000 light years in circumference. The sun travels around the Milky Way at 828,000 km/hr (0.00000008.7 the speed of light). At that rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way! That said, humans have only been mapping the skies for a few thousand years. Not NEARLY long enough to see a constellation change. And definitely not long enough for you to see it in your short, pathetic life.

No one is lying to you about how the universe works as some huge conspiracy. You're just to fucking lazy (or possibly unfit) to educate yourself, you dirty little nignog.
You probably already know this, but the three main stars of Orian's belt are in a more or less direct parallel with the three great Pyramids at Giza. Star maps have been found incorporated in the ceilings of tombs. (I don't know how accurate they are, but they may be more due to artistic convention and mythology.)
 

Vallrain

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This fight needs to keep going.

A fact is everything moves, nothing can be 100% immobile because the universe isn't stationary and as a whole every moves, I thought that was common sense not rocket science but here we are, debating whether or not planets, stars, blackholes etc move, yes they do 😂.

I do love spacial debates, another thing to note is lag, as we see stars because of their light, that light we see is old and the stars are not actually where they are in the sky, depending on the star in question if we include planets that appear as stars they could be a few thousand ti a few trillion miles or light years off.

Granted stars are on an orbit 💫 and their actual distance won't be that far off but alot of these stars are already dead and we just haven't seen the light of the event yet, and likely never will.

I have a theory about light lag too 😂.
 
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