Vaccines can't protect you from being poisoned!

[Jenny]

Well, ofc, no treatment or preventive measure can be forced (and isn't forced).

Actually, there are quite a few instances where treatment can & has been forced upon an individual & even an entire populus, I.E. treatments in mental institutions, or an old folk's home, prison populations, an unsuspecting super awesome child who some shit birds didn't want testifying against their pedo asses, the entire Covid-19 pandemic. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Do you believe in their rationale/reasoning, though?

I don't necessarily know their rationale/reasoning but, I know what it's like to be drugged against my will by my own government peoples so, I don't care if it's because a friggin' leprechaun told them it was made from a bufo toad's anal juices... if they don't want it in their body... I can respect that.

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Actually, there are quite a few instances where treatment can & has been forced upon an individual & even an entire populus, I.E. treatments in mental institutions, or an old folk's home, prison populations, an unsuspecting super awesome child who some shit birds didn't want testifying against their pedo asses, the entire Covid-19 pandemic. 🤷🏼‍♀️


I don't necessarily know their rationale/reasoning but, I know what it's like to be drugged against my will by my own government peoples so, I don't care if it's because a friggin' leprechaun told them it was made from a bufo toad's anal juices... if they don't want it in their body... I can respect that.

I was speaking in general, and those are exceptions, but okay. It can be forced, in some cases. (Especially when side effects are overshadowed by the collective benefit)

I don't wanna say it but you sound a bit pro anti-vax. Just because it shouldn't be forced doesn’t erase the social responsibility of the community towards preventive health care. Anti-vaxxers propagate their ideas, build communities, and they're seldom exclusively against vaccines. They're against fossil fuel science, against the moon landing, and other conspiracy theories. Anti-science idealogy is a real social problem that shouldn't be justified with freedom to do whatever you want to.

 

[Jay the Butcher]

I didn't get vaccinated against Covid and I had it 3 times. Last time the symptoms were mild and lasted a couple days.

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Actually, there are quite a few instances where treatment can & has been forced upon an individual & even an entire populus, I.E. treatments in mental institutions, or an old folk's home, prison populations, an unsuspecting super awesome child who some shit birds didn't want testifying against their pedo asses, the entire Covid-19 pandemic. 🤷🏼‍♀️


I don't necessarily know their rationale/reasoning but, I know what it's like to be drugged against my will by my own government peoples so, I don't care if it's because a friggin' leprechaun told them it was made from a bufo toad's anal juices... if they don't want it in their body... I can respect that.

In other words, I mean that anti-vax isn't a valid stance.

 

[Lovinight]

I see.

And I wouldn't have gotten it. My discussion here was more about science denial and its so many fallacies rather than focusing on exceptions like the mRNA vaccine.

Right, the fallacies are your opinion, I've seen to much that proves to me otherwise, and I'm not dedicating a shitload of my time providing the evidence to back my reasoning up. We're talking twenty years plus of data that has lead me to the conclusions I am at today. No matter what level of effort I would put in such an endeavor, it would change absolutely nothing, so I see it as pointless.

Most likely I will add to this post, as I randomly come across info relevant to this conversation, however, I won't go out of my way to find it.

 

[Lovinight]

Well, ofc, no treatment or preventive measure can be forced (and isn't forced).

Do you believe in their rationale/reasoning, though?

How many times in history has a Government turned on it's people?

 

[Jenny]

I was speaking in general, and those are exceptions, but okay. It can be forced, in some cases. (Especially when side effects are overshadowed by the collective benefit)

But here's the thing @grimeka... The government did not include the potential side effects that were known (more than once) and sometimes they absolutely should have... especially because they did know & beforehand.

Also, don't throw these things in some collective "exceptions" bin in your mind please. They should be added into your collective conscious thought process when you next are calculating & each time, you, Grimeka, consider if you should or should not opt for something. These weren't outliers statistically ergo, they should not be considered exceptions.

I don't wanna say it but you sound a bit pro anti-vax. Just because it shouldn't be forced doesn’t erase the social responsibility of the community towards preventive health care.

The social responsibility? You sound like you grew up in some uptight socialist or even a commie regime in charge of your mind with your anecdotal remarks if you weren't aware. The responsibility lies first w/a citizen's government & w/the folks who make a vaccine, bring them to market, to ensure the benefits outweigh the risks if they are going to offer & recommend them & absolutely if they're going to mandate them & especially to children (which is about the time you & every able bodied citizen should consider arming yourselves & starting a revolution even if you'd be cast out of the world as you know it... but, quite obviously, somethin's afoot at that point). Your government needs to ensure that the populus as a whole is safer if they take it but, they initially owe the responsibility to the individual they'll be injecting. There is always a very small risk to everyone as they can have a bad reaction which is usually slight but, it doesn't kill them... umm, usually. Since these mRNA covid-19 vaxs came out though & have been administered to billions, we can no longer say that, now can we?

Unlike you, I cannot just relegate something as an "exception" either & then discount it next time around when it comes to talking about vaccines when OP's title statement is atleast true.

You said had you known prior that the vaccine(s) you took to ideally protect you, your loved ones, your nation, your/our world against SARS-Cov2 could potentially give you myocarditis or pericarditis - like the warnings included for those vaccines carry as of a month ago per the FDA now, that you would not have gotten it. Just a reminder too: that is just the initial finding they have released to the public. Keep that in mind.

So, you're okay with forcing them upon others now that you're informed of this? Because you do realize Covid is here to stay and there will always be some reservoir of it and some way it is vectored to the human population.
Or no, now that they have put warnings on it, no one should be more than asked to take it?
Does it now make you an anti-vaxxer if you would like everyone to be informed of things 100% like this instance, prior to being inoculated, and what about coercion tactics? I.E. If you do not get this vaccine that now does have a warning about how it may cause myocarditis, pericarditis, sudden death, etc., you are not allowed to travel, attend public school, work... and that's okay with you? That's what you sound like just FYI.

Vaccines are not without their issues & it's happened repeatedly, since the first one. Obviously, their use needs to be scrutinized and it should not be looked at & lumped all together as "vaccines" but, more individually, per threat to the public.

If I sound atall like an anti-vaxxer to you, then you have never met any then I'd say but, it is probably because of the information concerning the covid-19 plandemic/pandemic mRNA vaccines I am sounding a lil like that. My innoculation record obviously indicates I'm the opposite even having had extras that aren't necessarily recommended by the government but, were by the medical industry. I've had experimental medicine (I don't know if any were vaccines but, possibly) & that was all against my will & my legal parents were not included either. I've also willingly taken atleast one experimental vaccine series as well, which became FDA approved eventually as Gardasil or Gardasil-9 many years later by Merck. I think it is still available but, I don't think it's one the Gov't ever said anyone had to get. It's also not free. 🤷🏼‍♀️

 

[Lovinight]

If Bill Gates is anywhere near it, run. What about the fact they wanted to keep the data from the public so long everyone who took it will be dead? What about the fact, they hid all the deaths in the trials? They aren't even providing medical care to the victims, FFS! Also if they are giving out vaccines, and there is an ambulance on standby, run. Remdisivir and Midazolam is what they were giving the hospital patients, perhaps Grimeka should have looked up the "science" on that combination?

The "horse wormer" Ivermerctin is truly all we needed. Listen to Dr. Kory Grimeka this information has been out there, stop turning to mainstream ANYTHING\ANYONE for information, mainstream only regurgitates the same bullshit, that is all it is ALLOWED to do. J F C, look at this shit... FYI, sugar causes heart attacks, not fat or cholesterol. There are also non pharma ways to clear your arteries, and they clear them in a timely manner, this is a solution, not a fucking band-aid. Band-aids are all pharma offers for the most part, or people wouldn't need to refill prescriptions.

 

[Lovinight]

If Bill Gates is anywhere near it, run. What about the fact they wanted to keep the data from the public so long everyone who took it will be dead? What about the fact, they hid all the deaths in the trials? They aren't even providing medical care to the victims, FFS! Also if they are giving out vaccines, and there is an ambulance on standby, run. Remdisivir and Midazolam is what they were giving the hospital patients, perhaps Grimeka should have looked up the "science" on that combination?

The "horse wormer" Ivermerctin is truly all we needed. Listen to Dr. Kory Grimeka this information has been out there, stop turning to mainstream ANYTHING\ANYONE for information, mainstream only regurgitates the same bullshit, that is all it is ALLOWED to do. J F C, look at this shit... FYI, sugar causes heart attacks, not fat or cholesterol. There are also non pharma ways to clear your arteries, and they clear them in a timely manner, this is a solution, not a fucking band-aid. Band-aids are all pharma offers for the most part, or people wouldn't need to refill prescriptions.

Grimeka, you're actually correct, I'm a science denier when shit just don't add up in my mind, I know the patterns, and recognize bullshit. Over half of anything we have ever been told has been pure bullshit, that is how the system is designed, the sad part is so many people believe it, if that weren't the case, the bullshit would end.

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

But here's the thing @grimeka... The government did not include the potential side effects that were known (more than once) and sometimes they absolutely should have... especially because they did know & beforehand.

Also, don't throw these things in some collective "exceptions" bin in your mind please. They should be added into your collective conscious thought process when you next are calculating & each time, you, Grimeka, consider if you should or should not opt for something. These weren't outliers statistically ergo, they should not be considered exceptions.

I already agreed to the point that they can indeed be forced. What you're referring to are mandatory policies. School entry for children, for specific jobs (like healthcare workers). The covid 19 vaccine was not forcibly injected in most democracies, but there were mandatory restrictions. And these mandatory restrictions are needed, especially to target at high-risk populations. It's almost always a good thing. (Again, I'm speaking in general, and most vaccines were successful preventive health measures. Don't start on the exceptions now).

The social responsibility? You sound like you grew up in some uptight socialist or even a commie regime in charge of your mind with your anecdotal remarks if you weren't aware. The responsibility lies first w/a citizen's government & w/the folks who make a vaccine, bring them to market, to ensure the benefits outweigh the risks if they are going to offer & recommend them & absolutely if they're going to mandate them & especially to children (which is about the time you & every able bodied citizen should consider arming yourselves & starting a revolution even if you'd be cast out of the world as you know it... but, quite obviously, somethin's afoot at that point). Your government needs to ensure that the populus as a whole is safer if they take it but, they initially owe the responsibility to the individual they'll be injecting. There is always a very small risk to everyone as they can have a bad reaction which is usually slight but, it doesn't kill them... umm, usually. Since these mRNA covid-19 vaxs came out though & have been administered to billions, we can no longer say that, now can we?

Unlike you, I cannot just relegate something as an "exception" either & then discount it next time around when it comes to talking about vaccines when OP's title statement is atleast true.

I'll ignore the commie regime remark. You're making a strawman of my statement. I said citizens have a social responsibility in any preventive health measure (like vaccines), I didn't say the govt has no responsibility or that the responsibility lies first with the people.

I have clarified the "exception" thing in the first point on here. And the OP's title is true? That's a whole another debate. (It's weird to see you make the claim though)

You said had you known prior that the vaccine(s) you took to ideally protect you, your loved ones, your nation, your/our world against SARS-Cov2 could potentially give you myocarditis or pericarditis - like the warnings included for those vaccines carry as of a month ago per the FDA now, that you would not have gotten it. Just a reminder too: that is just the initial finding they have released to the public. Keep that in mind.

Yes, I did say that. And I didn't take the covid shot.

So, you're okay with forcing them upon others now that you're informed of this? Because you do realize Covid is here to stay and there will always be some reservoir of it and some way it is vectored to the human population.

Or no, now that they have put warnings on it, no one should be more than asked to take it?
Does it now make you an anti-vaxxer if you would like everyone to be informed of things 100% like this instance, prior to being inoculated, and what about coercion tactics? I.E. If you do not get this vaccine that now does have a warning about how it may cause myocarditis, pericarditis, sudden death, etc., you are not allowed to travel, attend public school, work... and that's okay with you? That's what you sound like just FYI.

Another strawman. I never said anything about forcing any vaccine upon others.

Vaccines are not without their issues & it's happened repeatedly, since the first one. Obviously, their use needs to be scrutinized and it should not be looked at & lumped all together as "vaccines" but, more individually, per threat to the public.

Yes, they have their issues but their benefits far outweigh the side effects (true for most vaccines)

If I sound atall like an anti-vaxxer to you, then you have never met any then I'd say but, it is probably because of the information concerning the covid-19 plandemic/pandemic mRNA vaccines I am sounding a lil like that. My innoculation record obviously indicates I'm the opposite even having had extras that aren't necessarily recommended by the government but, were by the medical industry. I've had experimental medicine (I don't know if any were vaccines but, possibly) & that was all against my will & my legal parents were not included either. I've also willingly taken atleast one experimental vaccine series as well, which became FDA approved eventually as Gardasil or Gardasil-9 many years later by Merck. I think it is still available but, I don't think it's one the Gov't ever said anyone had to get. It's also not free. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Okay. By sounding like one I meant that you never actively negated the OP's statements. You said you "respect it" even and now that the OP's title is "true". But obviously, you're not one of them.

My major point is: anti-vax (which almost always comes with other anti-science beliefs) is severely illogical and unscientific. It's healthy skepticism to question vaccines, especially the new ones or those without much success, but to deny vaccine science altogether? To say AIDS is a lie? To say chemotherapy doesn't work? They have no argument, as their conclusions follow a host of pseudo-premises riddled with fallacies. I don't even need to get started on the science.

And their position shouldn't be respected and it's not valid by any angle of thought. Being an anti-vax (rooted in misinformationm, conspiracy and ignorance) is morally and ethically irresponsible (supported by utilitarianism, deontology, virtue ethics, social contract theory).

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Right, the fallacies are your opinion, I've seen to much that proves to me otherwise, and I'm not dedicating a shitload of my time providing the evidence to back my reasoning up. We're talking twenty years plus of data that has lead me to the conclusions I am at today. No matter what level of effort I would put in such an endeavor, it would change absolutely nothing, so I see it as pointless.

Most likely I will add to this post, as I randomly come across info relevant to this conversation, however, I won't go out of my way to find it.

I thought you'd been ignoring me? I made a post on the patent document you had sent. It took me some time to research it and make a thorough comment on it:

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Serious Post in thread 'Which outdated things would you like to see make a comeback?'

Jul 15, 2025

https://assets.modernatx.com/m/197fe68e2047ca6a/original/US10703789.pdf Go to this page and type in the search/find option and type in HIV

Okay... this seems to be a patent describing the use of lipid nanoparticles to deliver modified mRNA which is translated into proteins in the host cells for therapeutic purposes (mRNA based vaccines, protein replacement therapy, treatment acquired/genetic protein deficiencies)

The patent mentions HIV in the context of developing antimicrobial polypeptides and mRNA-based therapeutics that may help inhibit/treat infections caused by...

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[Lovinight]

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

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He's right (though it's slightly out of context).

 

[Lovinight]

@Grimeka

 

[Lovinight]

 

[methedup77]

No just against covid. Some in the US you have to take as a kid just to go to school. Whatever those were. I dont remember.

Those are tried and true vaccines though I question their validity now a days beings peanut allergies and eczema. Back then 1/100 mights had it. Now? 1/10?

 

[mrln]

i also read that the vax will now be put in dental floss. because the mouth is super absorbent for things and it will be most effective instead of the shot.

 

[hedgerow]

i also read that the vax will now be put in dental floss. because the mouth is super absorbent for things and it will be most effective instead of the shot.

you probably don't even floss your teeth, so you're safe

 

[mrln]

you probably don't even floss your teeth, so you're safe

(but i do floss!)
ill have to invest in a water pic now eh?

 

[hedgerow]

(but i do floss!)

i was setting you up for a good comeback bud...you should have said "but at least i'm not missing any teeth!"