Vaccines can't protect you from being poisoned!

[Deleted member 42069lol]

No, you addressed me in a condescending manner, which is why I responded the way I did.

I don't remember, I didn't mean to anyway. Did you read what I sent? It clarifies everything related to anti-vax. I wonder what you think of it.

 

[Lovinight]

Do you believe all scientists were and are fraud?

 

[Lovinight]

It's not arguing but education. I wonder how you'd respond to any of that.

I'm not the one inquiring, I have honestly spent a huge chunk of my time educating myself about health related topics (main focus has been cancer) for 20+ years now, I'm way past all that, I've seen too much evidence that contradicts all that.

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

I'm not the one inquiring, I have honestly spent a huge chunk of my time educating myself about health related topics (main focus has been cancer) for 20+ years now, I'm way past all that, I've seen too much evidence that contradicts all that.

Contradicts what? What do you believe in? Do you think medical science or all of science is fake? Or that vaccines are fake or they don't work?

 

[Lovinight]

I don't remember, I didn't mean to anyway. Did you read what I sent? It clarifies everything related to anti-vax. I wonder what you think of it.

Honestly, vaccines aren't necessary, nature offers for the most part, far better preventions and cures than big pharma does, along with Ivermerctin and Fenbendazole, My 72 yr. old husband got over Covid in three days with Ivermerctin. The Gov as well as Medical industry is too corrupt to ever be trusted. The medical industry treats sick people with poison on a massive scale, cancer=chemo, cancer isn't even that hard to cure, without negative side effects even, but there is no money in natural cures.

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Honestly, vaccines aren't necessary, nature offers for the most part, far better preventions and cures than big pharma does, along with Ivermerctin and Fenbendazole, My 72 yr. old husband got over Covid in three days with Ivermerctin. The Gov as well as Medical industry is too corrupt to ever be trusted. The medical industry treats sick people with poison on a massive scale, cancer=chemo, cancer isn't even that hard to cure, without negative side effects even, but there is no money in natural cures.

For many diseases, natural immunity doesn't work well. It's too risky to catch the disease and pray your immune system will ward it off the first time. Too much suffering and no guarantee. Think measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, mumps. I had this covered in the initial text I sent. It's weird you didn't learn this given your 20 years of exploration

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Honestly, vaccines aren't necessary, nature offers for the most part, far better preventions and cures than big pharma does, along with Ivermerctin and Fenbendazole, My 72 yr. old husband got over Covid in three days with Ivermerctin. The Gov as well as Medical industry is too corrupt to ever be trusted. The medical industry treats sick people with poison on a massive scale, cancer=chemo, cancer isn't even that hard to cure, without negative side effects even, but there is no money in natural cures.

Also, there's a major flaw of logic here. When you believe in certain drugs (ivermerctin), and use technology like smartphones, etc, you are agreeing or believe science works. Now medical science is a part of science, and that includes vaccine science. You cannot believe in what you like and what you don't. They're all built on the same basic principles.

 

[lechmich]

"In his more honest moments, he admitted his work did little to advance the cause of his supposed métier. “I am actually not at all a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, not a thinker,” he wrote Fliess. “I am by temperament nothing but a conquistador — an adventurer, if you want it translated — with all the curiosity, daring and tenacity characteristic of a man of this sort.”

Sigmund Fraud | National Review

A new biography of Sigmund Freud relates, in devastating detail, what a total fraud the father of psychoanalysis was.

www.nationalreview.com

A new biography demolishes whatever was left of the Viennese con man’s reputation.
Writing to his close friend and collaborator Wilhelm Fliess in 1890, Sigmund Freud explained that he couldn’t pay a visit because, in a struggling psychiatric practice that suckered rich society women in Vienna, “My most important client is just now going through a kind of nervous crisis and might get well in my absence.
No, Freud wasn’t being ironic: He depended on grandes dames to stay in business. On another occasion, referring to a cartoon in which a yawning lion grumbles, “Twelve o’clock and no negroes,” he wrote, “The worries begin again whether some negroes will turn up at the right time to still the lion’s appetite.” That appetite, as Frederick Crews makes clear in his exhaustive, reputation-pulverizing book Freud: The Making of an Illusion, was from an early age for fame and riches, which Freud relentlessly pursued by championing one faddish quack remedy after another, backing away when justified criticism made his position untenable, covering his tracks with misleading or even completely false claims about what he’d been up to, then bustling on to the next gold mine.

In 1884, for instance, in the giddy throes of a fondness for cocaine that Freud would indulge on and off for some 15 years, he had the marvelous idea of treating a brilliant young scientist, Ernst Fleischl von Marxow, for a mild morphine addiction (resulting from surgery) by putting the patient on cocaine. Instead, Fleischl became hugely addicted to both morphine and cocaine — sleepless nights, strung-out dozy days — and wasted away into a scarecrow while Freud, writing about the patient under a pseudonym, bragged in a paper about the tremendous success of his experiment. Meanwhile, a colleague of Freud was discovering an actual useful application of cocaine, as a topical anesthetic that opened the door to new kinds of surgery (such as on the eye). This was a truly revolutionary breakthrough and Freud had nothing to do with it. Later he would suggest that he had been on the brink of making the discovery but had been distracted by his fiancée, Martha.

The case for Freud’s misogyny is ludicrously easy to make. After his cocaine frenzy, Freud headed to Paris to study with Jean-Martin Charcot, who oversaw an insane asylum full of women upon whom he freely experimented and operated under the assumption that they were suffering from “hysteria,” an almost exclusively feminine phenomenon in which sex organs supposedly caused otherwise unexplained behavior and bodily disorders. Freud would carry the concept of hysteria to breathtaking extremes in his private practice: Leg pain? Morphine addiction? Asthma? Freud treated patients with these disorders under the working theory that they were suffering from hysteria, which among his mostly female clientele morphed into an assumption that the origin story of all neurosis was a childhood sexual trauma, which he called the “seduction theory” and which Crews relabels “molestation theory,” since a small child who has suffered a sexual assault is not actually a seducer.

If the patient couldn’t remember any childhood sexual trauma, Freud would “reconstruct” it by coaching her to devise one. Despite claiming in a typically grandiose but evidence-free 1896 lecture that his psychoanalysis had helped unveil and repair childhood sexual trauma in 18 patients — the speech was so devoid of clinical standards that a senior scientist, Richard von Krafft-Ebing, said, “It sounds like a scientific fairy tale” — Freud later revealed in a letter to Fliess that he hadn’t cured even one person.

In one of the many horror stories Crews documents at length, Fliess, with Freud’s eager encouragement, nearly killed a patient whose symptoms suggest she was a hemophiliac who had an ovarian cyst by operating on her nose and removing a chunk of bone, on the crackpot theory he called “nasal reflex neurosis” that the genital-based hysteria natural to women was traceable to cartilage in the nose. As the suffering woman, Emma Eckstein, nearly bled to death while Freud bungled her recovery, he blanched and nearly vomited, regaining his poise only with the aid of a glass of brandy. “So, this is the strong sex?” asked Eckstein. Freud continued to insist that “she bled out of longing” (emphasis his) and when a (female) surgeon noticed Eckstein had an abscess treatable by a single incision, she recalled that Freud “asked me with biting scorn whether I believed that hysterical pain could be cured by the knife.” Later Freud observed that Eckstein for some reason reacted badly to being called unattractive after half her face had been caved in by the surgery.


Freud’s Studies in Hysteria, in which he played a heroic mind-detective who dug up the patient’s hidden actual troubles, simply adapted the fad for Sherlock Holmes stories (of which he was a fan) into a medical realm, adding a dollop of erotic titillation dressed up in clinical detachment. “The principal point is that I should guess the secret and tell it to the patient straight out,” he wrote. Diagnosis first, then make the facts fit. When they didn’t, Freud felt no compunction about using the techniques of fiction writing to play up his own prowess. As Crews shows, the idea of therapeutically talking through problems didn’t originate with Freud, and though psychoanalytic theory has little to no value, what Freud brought to it was mainly borrowed from Fliess — ideas about sexual latency, bisexuality, repression, and the sublimation of sexual desire. A huge slice of Freud’s work is simply plagiarism.

Today Freud barely exists in scientific literature, which has rejected his dodgy claims and outlandish boasts. In his more honest moments, he admitted his work did little to advance the cause of his supposed métier. “I am actually not at all a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, not a thinker,” he wrote Fliess. “I am by temperament nothing but a conquistador — an adventurer, if you want it translated — with all the curiosity, daring and tenacity characteristic of a man of this sort.” If Sigmund Freud had a genius for anything, it was for chutzpah. That, and public relations.

Freud was not "a man of science", he was a man of medicine, a neurologist. If a biography is so fundamentally wrong in the opening paragraph I guess you can assume that it's main audience is those offended by work. Last question would be is "Frederick Crews" a peer, or an expert in the field even? Let me answer that by not...

 

[Lovinight]

For many diseases, natural immunity doesn't work well. It's too risky to catch the disease and pray your immune system will ward it off the first time. Too much suffering and no guarantee. Think measles, tuberculosis, tetanus, mumps. I had this covered in the initial text I sent. It's weird you didn't learn this given your 20 years of exploration

Because I read all about it years ago, the polio vaccine caused more harm that it did any good and it's questionable as to the origin of polio not being poison exposure in origin, as with most vaccines, more children are harmed by the vaccine, compared to the actual illness itself, some of the illness have hidden benefits later in life. Who's to say the standard childhood illnesses aren't building strong immune system later in life? I know how to destroy an infection so fast you actually see it happening, naturally, I'll stick with nature. You know unvaccinated kids have higher IQ's in general and rarely any allergies?

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

Because I read all about it years ago, the polio vaccine caused more harm that it did any good and it's questionable as to the origin of polio not being poison exposure in origin, as with most vaccines, more children are harmed by the vaccine, compared to the actual illness itself, some of the illness have hidden benefits later in life. Who's to say the standard childhood illnesses aren't building strong immune system later in life? I know how to destroy an infection so fast you actually see it happening, naturally, I'll stick with nature. You know unvaccinated kids have higher IQ's in general and rarely any allergies?

I sent this earlier, but again:

Smallpox: Killed 300 million people in the 20th century alone; eradicated by 1980 via vaccination (WHO, 2020).

Polio: Reduced from 350,000 annual cases in 1988 to 33 in 2018, with ongoing efforts in Pakistan and Afghanistan (WHO, 2023). (The polio vaccine did a LOT OF GOOD)

Rubella: Congenital rubella syndrome, which causes birth defects, dropped from 20,000 U.S. cases in 1969 to fewer than 10 annually after the vaccine’s introduction (CDC, 2020).

Childhood infections don't necessarily build stronger immunity, especially when the case fatality ratio is too high, like tetanus. For example, people who leave areas with high malaria transmission lose their immunity against the plasmodium.

There's no scientific data that indicates unvaccinated children have higher IQs. Even the correlation between the two is stupid. IQ or intelligence in general is determined by multiple factors, like upbringing and education (mostly), genetics etc.

Allergies are not caused by vaccines but may be triggered by them (extremely rare, 1 in 1 million cases for most vaccines). Allergy is genetically-determined hypersensitivity to certain substances like pollen, dust, etc or even certain proteins. Vaccines cannot cause new allergies.

And the polio vaccines did a lot good:
To cite an example, the polio vaccine helped USA, India and other nations eradicate polio altogether.

This tells me you don't know the basics of science at all. How can you advocate against or refute something you don't even understand?

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

To deny vaccines is similar to believing the earth is flat. Both deny facts supported by overwhelming evidence, solid logic and established theory championed by countless brilliant people. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To go against it, you'll have to put forth a better theory and then prove it with experiments and support it with lots of evidence. Plus, it'd have to be compatible with the basic philosophical framework of science.

So, in your case, you'll have to explain why vaccines don't work scientifically, disprove established theory, and then provide data on the inefficacy of vaccines, while simultaneously showing that all of existing data regarding vaccine efficacy is false. Good luck with that.

 

[Venture _Capitalist]

Tom Cowan explains what a virus is. He has LONGER videos that will answer questions more in depth, but
I know how you all shun anything too time consuming here



FYI, AIDS is a LIE!

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[Deleted member 42069lol]

Tom Cowan explains what a virus is. He has LONGER videos that will answer questions more in depth, but
I know how you all shun anything too time consuming here



FYI, AIDS is a LIE!

And this guy is a fucking retard. Stop following blockhead quacks:

Thomas Cowan is a former medical doctor and alternative medicine practitioner known for promoting controversial and scientifically discredited views. He earned his medical degree from Michigan State University in 1984 and practiced alternative medicine in San Francisco until 2020. In 2017, the Medical Board of California placed him on probation for prescribing unapproved medication to a breast cancer patient without proper review or disclosure, leading him to surrender his medical license in December 2020. He now operates as an unregulated "health coach" and sells supplements online. Cowan is a board member of the Weston A. Price Foundation and has authored books like The Contagion Myth, co-authored with Sally Fallon Morell, which denies the existence of viruses and links diseases to factors like 5G radiation and environmental toxins.

Claims and Their Accuracy
Cowan’s most prominent claims include:

1. Viruses Don’t Exist or Cause Disease: He argues that viruses are not pathogens but cellular waste from poisoned cells, often citing 5G or electromagnetic fields as culprits. This contradicts established virology, which demonstrates viruses as genetic material in protein coats that infect cells, as confirmed by experiments like those infecting rhesus macaques with SARS-CoV-2. His claim that SARS-CoV-2 has never been properly isolated mischaracterizes scientific sources, as whole-genome sequencing and isolation studies contradict his assertions.
2. 5G Causes COVID-19: Cowan gained attention for a viral video claiming 5G radiation caused COVID-19, a theory debunked by virologists and public health experts. The World Health Organization and others note that viruses cannot travel via radio waves, and 5G’s rollout does not correlate with COVID-19’s spread.
3. Germ Theory Critique: Cowan challenges the germ theory, misrepresenting historical research like Robert Koch’s work on tuberculosis. For example, he claims Koch injected animals with toxic stains alongside bacteria, but Koch’s papers show he used pure, unstained cultures for inoculation, undermining Cowan’s argument.
4. Other Claims: He has suggested cancer is a “clean-up mechanism,” fevers are detox processes, and the heart isn’t a pump, all of which lack empirical support and contradict medical consensus.

 

[Lovinight]

I don't listen to him, I've read up elsewhere, I was just looking for an example to post that wasn't text, as most people here don't want to read a bunch of crap. I'm not here to debate my beliefs, you had questions, I was doing my due diligence to answer, and I will listen to whomever I want. I don't ever only listen to one source either.

I don't need to fit in, follow the herd, obey self appointed authorities, I also know full well what is going on, on this planet, and I will never trust any of these so called elite fucks. In the end, like I said, if your vaccine is so effective, it should be no concern of yours what I do. I don't want my DNA modified.

 

[Lovinight]

To deny vaccines is similar to believing the earth is flat. Both deny facts supported by overwhelming evidence, solid logic and established theory championed by countless brilliant people. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To go against it, you'll have to put forth a better theory and then prove it with experiments and support it with lots of evidence. Plus, it'd have to be compatible with the basic philosophical framework of science.

So, in your case, you'll have to explain why vaccines don't work scientifically, disprove established theory, and then provide data on the inefficacy of vaccines, while simultaneously showing that all of existing data regarding vaccine efficacy is false. Good luck with that.

See the thing is, I once believed in doctors, I have turned away from that after I watched them kill my mother with chemo and radiation. I'm not coming back, you're not interested in what I'm saying, you're only interested in changing my mind. I didn't initiate this conversation. I have a million tabs open as it is, as usual. I have my attention deep in other topics right now. I am not going to pull it all back and focus on putting a bunch of energy into this conversation, I know how these go. You're not really interested in anything but changing my mind, I could mount a compelling argument, defending my belief. You just give up and walk away. Been there, done that, you don't care how much time I waste, you just wait till I post an argument, you aren't equipped to challenge, or you don't feel like putting the effort into it, who knows.

Check this out, I have implants for half my upper teeth due to a root canal infection. I had to get bone graft and wait a year before even having my actual teeth added to the implants. I'm a smoker (the dentist didn't know this), smokers have the highest fail rate for bone graft. I have to go back to the dentist every six months, for cleaning, but mainly to check for bone loss. This is 5 years now post surgery and every time I return, I have bone growth in ways they never see usually. I did this with nature, I also had a months worth of healing after the surgery in eight fucking hours, I had my face looking normal, not bruised, not swollen, normal, that usually takes a month, minimum. I actually thought I fucked up and lost the bone graft, I was begging them to re-do the surgery. You know the secret, MUSHROOMS, psilocybin. They have the power to save a brain injured person from drilling holes in their skull, possible their life. They take away infection and inflammation so fast you actually feel it happening (very strange feeling). You could think I was just tripping but I have witnesses and pictures to prove it. If I need surgery, I go to a doctor (I just had my second cataract lense replaced) Anything else, including CANCER, I am fully capable of taking care of myself.

 

[hedgerow]

I have a million tabs open as it is, as usual.

incredible. When i have too many open windows, my computer sometimes crashes.
BTW, I admire your obvious intelligence, but most of all the fact that you never exaggerate even one little bit (about anything).
ps - what brand of computer do you have?

 

[Honest]

dont even with the tetanus shot either. thats bullshit just the same.
unless you work around manure all day

Well...i had a deep leg cut from a rusty nail so the doc suggested it even tho he knows I'm anti-shot.
Same does with the fur babies, the dog gets her rabies every three years so she can be licensed but the cats...
I've noticed when I stopped with all the vaccines they lived to be 18, 22, Sarah even lived to 24. When they
got all that shit they'd live to 13 tops. That's proof enough for me, the vet doesn't even bother asking me anymore

 

[Deleted member 42069lol]

See the thing is, I once believed in doctors, I have turned away from that after I watched them kill my mother with chemo and radiation. I'm not coming back, you're not interested in what I'm saying, you're only interested in changing my mind. I didn't initiate this conversation. I have a million tabs open as it is, as usual. I have my attention deep in other topics right now. I am not going to pull it all back and focus on putting a bunch of energy into this conversation, I know how these go. You're not really interested in anything but changing my mind, I could mount a compelling argument, defending my belief. You just give up and walk away. Been there, done that, you don't care how much time I waste, you just wait till I post an argument, you aren't equipped to challenge, or you don't feel like putting the effort into it, who knows.

Check this out, I have implants for half my upper teeth due to a root canal infection. I had to get bone graft and wait a year before even having my actual teeth added to the implants. I'm a smoker (the dentist didn't know this), smokers have the highest fail rate for bone graft. I have to go back to the dentist every six months, for cleaning, but mainly to check for bone loss. This is 5 years now post surgery and every time I return, I have bone growth in ways they never see usually. I did this with nature, I also had a months worth of healing after the surgery in eight fucking hours, I had my face looking normal, not bruised, not swollen, normal, that usually takes a month, minimum. I actually thought I fucked up and lost the bone graft, I was begging them to re-do the surgery. You know the secret, MUSHROOMS, psilocybin. They have the power to save a brain injured person from drilling holes in their skull, possible their life. They take away infection and inflammation so fast you actually feel it happening (very strange feeling). You could think I was just tripping but I have witnesses and pictures to prove it. If I need surgery, I go to a doctor (I just had my second cataract lense replaced) Anything else, including CANCER, I am fully capable of taking care of myself.

I'm sorry for your loss. It must've been very difficult for you.

Now, I know that anecdotes and personal experience can be really powerful and influence our beliefs. But they're not substitute for rigorous science/empirical evidence, because personal experiences differ among people, you cannot establish a fact or develop a drug or technology out of it. We have science for that, it's the reason it exists.

Second, and this is REALLY IMPORTANT—Psilocybin does not treat infections or cancer. Yes, it is antiinflammatory, but it will not kill the bacteria/virus or other pathogen that's causing the disease. This is a widely known fact in scientific literature.

Psilocybin is a psychedelic, it lowers anxiety and depression and has other psychological effects.

IT CANNOT TREAT CANCER OR ANY INFECTION. It simply doesn't have those properties. (Overwhelming scientific evidence supports this.)

What you feel is the typical psychological effects of psilocybin. It might feel good but it won't help with any condition other than providing mental health support in certain illnesses (especially terminal ones). IT'S JUST FEEL GOOD for the most part. It won't do the job.

Status of psilocybin: it's not widely used in clinical practice, it's not even approved by federal health officials in many regions.

PLEASE READ THIS: Stop using psilocybin for infection or any other illness. IT WON'T REALLY HELP. You might find yourself in a worse situation.

Whenever you feel ill or have a condition, go to a good licensed doctor and follow their treatment. Please stop listening to halfwits and people who lost their licence (like Cowan). This is for your own health. You're being influenced by people that the scientific community doesn't recognise as trustworthy. Trust your country. No one is trying to make your health worse or is hiding secrets from you. Quite the opposite, the entire scientific community, its practice and literature is driven by people who are passionate and actually want to help the world. It's not a business or a way to "control" the people. If it were, science would've long failed and we would have something else in its place. The reason today's society is built on and surrounded by science and technology is proof that it works.

 

[mrln]

Well...i had a deep leg cut from a rusty nail so the doc suggested it even tho he knows I'm anti-shot.
Same does with the fur babies, the dog gets her rabies every three years so she can be licensed but the cats...
I've noticed when I stopped with all the vaccines they lived to be 18, 22, Sarah even lived to 24. When they
got all that shit they'd live to 13 tops. That's proof enough for me, the vet doesn't even bother asking me anymore

yea do research on tetanus and the shot. sounds like being cut is bullshit we were fed all these years. i get cut all the time. i no longer bother. its been 10-15 yrs since i last received one.

 

[mrln]

Whenever you feel ill or have a condition, go to a good licensed doctor and follow their treatment. Please stop listening to halfwits and people who lost their licence (like Cowan). This is for your own health. You're being influenced by people that the scientific community doesn't recognise as trustworthy. Trust your country. No one is trying to make your health worse or is hiding secrets from you. Quite the opposite, the entire scientific community, its practice and literature is driven by people who are passionate and actually want to help the world. It's not a business or a way to "control" the people. If it were, science would've long failed and we would have something else in its place. The reason today's society is built on and surrounded by science and technology is proof that it works.

believe people like faucci? yea no thanks...
and believe the govt too? again,no thanks...