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War Ontario slaps 25% tax increase on electricity exports to US in response to Trump’s trade war

TORONTO (AP) — Ontario’s premier, the leader of Canada’s most populous province, announced that effective Monday it is charging 25% more for electricity to 1.5 million Americans in response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade war.

Ontario provides electricity to Minnesota, New York and Michigan.

“I will not hesitate to increase this charge. If the United State escalates, I will not hesitate to shut the electricity off completely,” Ontario Premier Doug Ford said at a news conference in Toronto.

“Believe me when I say I do not want to do this. I feel terrible for the American people who didn’t start this trade war. It’s one person who is responsible, it’s President Trump.”

Ford said Ontario’s tariff would remain in place despite the one-month reprieve from Trump, noting a one-month pause means nothing but more uncertainty. Quebec is also considering taking similar measures with electricity exports to the U.S.

Ford’s office said the new market rules require any generator selling electricity to the U.S. to add a 25% surcharge. Ontario’s government expects it to generate revenue of $300,000 Canadian dollars ($208,000) to CA$400,000 ($277,000) per day, “which will be used to support Ontario workers, families and businesses.”

The new surcharge is in addition to the federal government’s initial CA$30 billion ($21 billion) worth of retaliatory tariffs have been applied on items like American orange juice, peanut butter, coffee, appliances, footwear, cosmetics, motorcycles and certain pulp and paper products.

Trade war intensifies
Trump launched a new trade war last week by imposing tariffs against Washington’s three biggest trading partners, drawing immediate retaliation from Mexico, Canada and China and sending financial markets into a tailspin.

Trump later said he has postponed 25% tariffs on many goods from Canada and Mexico for a month, amid widespread fears of a broader trade war.

Ford estimated it will add about CA$100 ($69) a month to the bills of each American affected.

“It needs to end. Until these tariffs are off the table, until the threat of tariffs is gone for good, Ontario will not relent,” Ford said.

Ford said Trump changes his mind every day, but if he continues to attack Canada he will do everything it takes to maximize the pain.

“Republicans, at least the ones I speak to, do not agree with President Trump but they are too scared to go out there and say it publicly,” Ford said. “It’s a shame but we need to end this.”

Trump has urged U.S. automakers to move auto production from Canada and Mexico to the U.S. Last week Trump granted a one-month exemption to 25% tariffs on vehicles and auto parts traded through the North American trade agreement USMCA after speaking with leaders of automakers Ford, General Motors and Stellantis. Ontario is the auto sector hub of Canada.

Premier Ford also noted Trump is threatening Canada with steel, aluminum and diary tariffs.

“I will do whatever it takes to maximum the pain against Americans,” Ford said.

Stephen Lecce, Ontario’s minister of energy and electrification, said the U.S. needs Canada’s power and it could impact other states as well as the three states often resale Ontario’s electricity. “It is regrettable we are here,” Lecce said.

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Maintaining the balance it seems. It's like Canada is mad or something.
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electricity rates are already outrageous in New York, so i probably won't even notice this on my power bills

most every month my delivery charges are 2x my actual usage charges...i used to get angry but now i just accept it
You can legally dispute the charges. I once took my electric company to civil court. When the court daye came, they didn't send anybody and the judge ruled in my favor. I represented myself, so the judge awarded me court costs, the money owed, representation fee, and a day's wage, and they paid it.
 
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^ even outside the City, it's much more expensive than the rest of the Nation...they even have the nerve to ask for extra contribution with a "Good Neighbor Fund' to help the less fortunate (they can die instead)

in NY, i get this constant feeling that i'm supporting myself and and at least one other family

i tried for years to get out (after retirement) to New Hampshire, but looks like that dream is fading...first the job/old families kept us here, and now the new family (me, her, 4 children and now grand-children)...it's a trap but not too bad

no one has a problem with me going away somewhere else to live (alone), but i'd miss out on all the fun back home, so maybe i'll decide age in place (who's deciding?)
 
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^ even outside the City, it's much more expensive than the rest of the Nation...they even have the nerve to ask for extra contribution with a "Good Neighbor Fund' to help the less fortunate (they can die instead)

in NY, i get this constant feeling that i'm supporting myself and and at least one other family

i tried for years to get out (after retirement) to New Hampshire, but looks like that dream is fading...first the job/old families kept us here, and now the new family (me, her, 4 children and now grand-children)...it's a trap but not too bad

no one has a problem with me going away somewhere else to live (alone), but i'd miss out on all the fun back home, so maybe i'll decide age in place (who's deciding?)
Under "ENERGY SUPPLY CHARGES" it says "You may choose another supplier.."

What's that all about? Would that option possibly save you money?
 
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^ even outside the City, it's much more expensive than the rest of the Nation...they even have the nerve to ask for extra contribution with a "Good Neighbor Fund' to help the less fortunate (they can die instead)

in NY, i get this constant feeling that i'm supporting myself and and at least one other family

i tried for years to get out (after retirement) to New Hampshire, but looks like that dream is fading...first the job/old families kept us here, and now the new family (me, her, 4 children and now grand-children)...it's a trap but not too bad

no one has a problem with me going away somewhere else to live (alone), but i'd miss out on all the fun back home, so maybe i'll decide age in place (who's deciding?)
I've thought about relocating to Maine. The Adirondacks in NY was sort of on the list, but you're helping me to think twice about that possibility. Ever look at Maine? And why NH?
 
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