Saddam Hussein’s Ba'athist, Fascist, Purge 1979 😳 (VIDEO )

[snagahbag]

Saddam filmed it and it was on Iraqi TV. Here is some video of it. There is no gore but it is terrifying. I can’t imagine being in Saddam’s Iraq and I’m glad he is gone….

Here is the video with good narration, it’s not a long one:

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you do realize Americans killed more people in Iraq than Saddam did right?

not saying i like the faggot, lets just not forget

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

you do realize Americans killed more people in Iraq than Saddam did right?

not saying i like the faggot, lets just not forget

Actually that’s not true at all. Most deaths during the Iraq war, the Liberation of Iraq from Baathist fascism i like to call it. Most deaths were caused by “the insurgency” the ex-Baathist secret police sadist and Al Queda in Mesopotamia and later Isis. They caused most of the death in the Iraq war. If they didn’t exist most of those deaths wouldn’t have happened. With their suicide bombing not just where people are like mosques and checkpoints but power stations and water stations and other infrastructure that was pretty much non existent before 2003 when we showed up. that leads to people’s death and suffering. That leads to poverty and a poor economy OK. our enemies were deliberately trying to destroy Iraq rather than democracy and secularism work in an Arab Muslim country. Thats what caused most of the deaths. You have no idea how wickedly and outrageously wrong you are in what you think and say.

What you just did is the equivalent of blaming the people Hitler killed in his aggression on the Allies for fighting against him and standing up to him. You got ALL BACKWARDS my dude.

 

[snagahbag]

Actually that’s not true at all. Most deaths during the Iraq war, the Liberation of Iraq from Baathist fascism i like to call it. Most deaths were caused by “the insurgency” the ex-Baathist secret police sadist and Al Queda in Mesopotamia and later Isis. They caused most of the death in the Iraq war. If they didn’t exist most of those deaths wouldn’t have happened. With their suicide bombing not just where people are like mosques and checkpoints but power stations and water stations and other infrastructure that was pretty much non existent before 2003 when we showed up. that leads to people’s death and suffering. That leads to poverty and a poor economy OK. our enemies were deliberately trying to destroy Iraq rather than democracy and secularism work in an Arab Muslim country. Thats what caused most of the deaths. You have no idea how wickedly and outrageously wrong you are in what you think and say.

What you just did is the equivalent of blaming the people Hitler killed in his aggression on the Allies for fighting against him and standing up to him. You got ALL BACKWARDS my dude.

just to clarify… this did happen DURING the iraq war correct ?

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

just to clarify… this did happen DURING the iraq war correct ?

Yes, alot of death happened during world war 2 so that means we are the main forces to blame for it. Responsibility lies with us? We killed the most? BULLSHIT.

The deaths in Iraq and its condition is the fault of Saddam Hussein and his regime, later the jihadist. We are 3 or 4 on that list. We have a minor role. Removing the regime and helping the Iraqis build democracy as well as keep Al Qaeda from taking over the country. This was our duty and I am for doing it.

Here is why what you believe is bad faith, as well as based in fantasy. Thousands of Iraqis were already dying every year way before 2003 ok. Because of the Saddam regime and leaving him power in 1991. My side says this is the original mistake. Also the sanctions put on Iraq by the UN after Saddam’s attempt at annexing Kuwait and declaring it a new province. This destroyed the infrastructure and economy and made a huge swatch of destitute people. That is what destroyed Iraq, it’s what made it so hard to govern post-2003.

Before 1991 thousands of Iraqis were dying in things like Saddam’s mad ten year tench war with Iran. Again to try to annex territory.

IRAQIS WERE DYING ALREADY, and dying to keep the country of Iraq and its people all the private property of a genocidal megalomaniac dictator. Yet none of you No Blood For Oil types were saying a word about Iraqi lives then. But removing that fascist dictator and the resulting civilians deaths mostly from the reactionary jihadist fascist , removing the dictator and helping the Iraqis create a free democracy. Deaths to fight for that, that’s too high a price to pay, PLEASE. Get real.

As I said the war would have been short if Al Qaeda had not decided to make Iraq its frontline country in rebuilding the caliphate, and ISIS. Which by the way is a splinter group from Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. These people and their ex Baathist secret police and such riff raff. These people made the war so long and so costly in human lives.

Dude I don’t mean to say you are a type but you are. I know what you Iraq anti-war people think. How you think. I used to think that that when I was a teen. And I know how wrong it is. Next you will be telling me that Saddam had no WMD or that is was all for oil or Saddam was secular or there was no terrorist problem in Iraq before we got there or all the other fatuous nonsense that is believed unfortunately by most people, and by everyone who was against the liberation of Iraq from Saddam.

If you want to learn about Iraq I can send you a book, it’s free on internet archive by the guy I get my username from. Also a chapter from his memoir that is about Iraq and gives the best left case for Iraq. I can send you the links.

Just to be clear about this too. I say EVERYTHING above as a leftist. Not as some Bush poodle or right winger. The FIRST people in my mind when I talk about Iraq are the Kurdish people, some of Kurdistan is in Iraq. In the northern part actually. An old, older than the Palestinians, Old stateless long oppressed minority who were subject to an attempted genocide by Saddam. I am on their side win or lose. They now have an autonomous zone in Iraq, a quasi state of their own. Also in my mind are the Iraqi socialist and social democratic secular pro-western leftist parties and people. Both of these forces, the Kurds and the Iraqi left, were for regime change. They were with Bush and Cheney on this. My solidarity is with them you out there reading this, Who Is Yours With?

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

just to clarify… this did happen DURING the iraq war correct ?

Also another thing. You seem to share in the delusion that the choice in Iraq was peace and stability and war and death. That wasn’t the choice. It was between war and death or even worse war and death.

Iraq was breaking down anyway as I said a bit above but also a huge point that is missed by the anti-war crowd. If we left Iraq when most liberals and leftist as well as most of the right wing Kissinger crew, realist types as well as isolationist America first types. If we did that an Al Qaeda and what was left of Saddam's Ba’ath party took the country the massacre of Kurds and Shia Muslims would begin escalate right then and more people should end up dead in Iraq. Never mind the catastrophe it would be for Bin Ladenist to have control over an oil rich nation state, in a chokepoint of world trade. They would have used Iraq, whose borders they don’t recognize, as a launch board to rebuild the Caliphate. The lost empire they want back. The deaths and destruction these people would have wrought in Iraq and elsewhere if we didn’t intervene and resist them I shudder to think about.

Peace wasn’t in the cards in Iraq unfortunately. To continue the Nazi analogy because I think it’s a good analogy but not quite equivalent because scale matters. But Bin Ladenist ideology. Islamic extremism it’s called. I like the term Islamic-fascism. It is best compared to fascism, particularly the German variety because of the fantastical antisemitism. But yes same with the Nazis. Peace wasn’t in the cards with them. They wanted another world war and they got one.

Both Al Qaeda and Saddam were fascists fanatic. The Nazis were fascist fanatics. It had to be resisted. For the Kurds, for the Iraqis, to save that country and region from an even worse than the long hard intervention they got. It was NOT between peace and war.

And anyway we had a duty and responsibility to Iraq. Again it was already our business years before 9/11. But I am going off on tangents. I’m done.

If anyone wants to learn about Iraq feel free to message me I will send you the audiobook and ebook I mentioned 👍

 

[snagahbag]

@Christopher Hitchens dude i aint reading all this. it was a developing country it wasnt perfect but we werent supposed to be in iraq, we did in fact kill more people in iraq than saddam, check the numbers, those airstrikes definitely had “collateral damage”. i mean i remember seeing a dude dump on a group of civilians from his helicopter thinking it was taliban with a rpg. right or wrong this shit happened. not saying saddamn was innocent either glad to see him hung, but we didnt improve the country by any means, look at it today. and we’re responsible for way more deaths than there were prior to us showing up, plus we had no business being there to begin with.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

@Christopher Hitchens dude i aint reading all this. it was a developing country it wasnt perfect but we werent supposed to be in iraq, we did in fact kill more people in iraq than saddam, check the numbers, those airstrikes definitely had “collateral damage”. i mean i remember seeing a dude dump on a group of civilians from his helicopter thinking it was taliban with a rpg. right or wrong this shit happened. not saying saddamn was innocent either glad to see him hung, but we didnt improve the country by any means, look at it today. and we’re responsible for way more deaths than there were prior to us showing up, plus we had no business being there to begin with.

You just admitted you aren’t even reading other arguments. Which means you don’t give a shit really about the country. I already refuted a lot of what you just said, I’m not repeating myself. But you are a typical “antiwar” Iraq. Wont listen to the facts and just repeats a mantra that isn’t based in reality. It’s ok most people that have an opinion on this are like you. Dont know or dont care about Iraq and dont care to learn either. You refuse to face facts, you refuse to even read arguments that show what you are saying is false. I just want to make that clear. i think you lost the argument because you won’t address anything. I’ll put myself in the safe keeping of the audience on that I guess.

 

[snagahbag]

You just admitted you aren’t even reading other arguments. Which means you don’t give a shit really about the country. I already refuted a lot of what you just said, I’m not repeating myself. But you are a typical “antiwar” Iraq. Wont listen to the facts and just repeats a mantra that isn’t based in reality. It’s ok most people that have an opinion on this are like you. Dont know or dont care about Iraq and dont care to learn either. You refuse to face facts, you refuse to even read arguments that show what you are saying is false. I just want to make that clear. i think you lost the argument because you won’t address anything. I’ll put myself in the safe keeping of the audience on that I guess.

u didnt make any factual argument you “told” me what happened when it didnt happen that way. besides ur a libtard lmao. id rather not read a book from u about the war when ive read plenty enough about it to know what happened, simple

like i said we killed more unarmed civilians than Saddam ever did, and we were there on false pretenses of mass weapons of destruction. thats a well known common fact

 

[Dirl]

I don’t believe you and I know it to be otherwise. Read “A Republic of Fear” and learn something.


No nice true with your populist bullshit race racebaiting. Iraq was hell on earth, it was the most cruel regime in the world and the sanctions from the UN and west after 91 destroyed what Saddamism didn’t. Read a fucking book.


No you’re not clever. The whol “they can’t fool me bullshit”. Think for yourself and read books by Iraqis like the one I mentioned above. These things like the nature of the Saddam regime can be known and are.


No he wasn’t and his hero was Stalin, and Bathism is most modeled on European facism. I guess that’s why you’d like it Nazi rat.

Imagine this scenario: Someone from the other side of city knocks on your door and tells you: "I don't like the way you fuck your wife and the way you cook so you better change or find a way to get out of town."

I know what I'd say: "Get out of my sight and find other shit to do."

I am perplexed how a leftist like you is such an Americanoid neocon in relation to the world.

.After 23 years of NATO intervention in Afghanistan, does the country in question have democracy? No.
.After 21 years in Iraq do they have democracy? No.
.After 14 years of the destruction of Lybia (the most prosperous country in Africa) are they living in a democracy? No.
.After 10 years of a western puppet regime in Ukraine do they have a real democracy? No.

Now we have Syria, do you think syrians will live better after switching a secular regime to a Sharia law based pseudo-state? You are naive if you believe in such thing. In fact In Iraq, Lybia and Syria the ethno religious minorities were protected and i know people who lived there for decades, before your righteous regime change cabal took place....Should i mention Somalia, Sudan, etc? Or maybe South America?....i think you have enough material do make your own research.

By the way, when you guys left the evil Vietnam have you heard anything about genocides and shit? They are better since you left..

With that said, the "cancers" of the world, according with your perspective, are better without your intervention, because your fights against it only leads to multiple cancers.
Have you ever stopped and thought were these refugees go? All of them should go to America since you are responsible for these wars. In fact that would be an eye-opening for you guys.

And let's cut the crap, this what big nations do to small nations for thousands of years.
We better stop justifying our morally dubious actions by judging the way others live and face reality as it is.

 

[Imi]

I don’t believe you and I know it to be otherwise. Read “A Republic of Fear” and learn something.


No nice true with your populist bullshit race racebaiting. Iraq was hell on earth, it was the most cruel regime in the world and the sanctions from the UN and west after 91 destroyed what Saddamism didn’t. Read a fucking book.


No you’re not clever. The whol “they can’t fool me bullshit”. Think for yourself and read books by Iraqis like the one I mentioned above. These things like the nature of the Saddam regime can be known and are.


No he wasn’t and his hero was Stalin, and Bathism is most modeled on European facism. I guess that’s why you’d like it Nazi rat.

although he is cut out of all the videos but saddam not only calls him corrupt in his recent death trial but also the dogs of the USA and Israel just cut this part out of the footage

Currently, Ireland still considers Israel a war criminal due to the deaths of around 50 thousand innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip, Israel immediately accuses Ireland of "anti-Semitism"
I can't wait for Israel to come up with the "Nazis" and the "Holocaust" which is always a good excuse for everything from Israel

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Imagine this scenario: Someone from the other side of city knocks on your door and tells you: "I don't like the way you fuck your wife and the way you cook so you better change or find a way to get out of town."

That analogy doesn’t fit. Iraq wasn’t a sovereign country when Saddam was removed. The regime had done things that made that so.

I know what I'd say: "Get out of my sight and find other shit to do."

I am perplexed how a leftist like you is such an Americanoid neocon in relation to the world.

.After 23 years of NATO intervention in Afghanistan, does the country in question have democracy? No.
.After 21 years in Iraq do they have democracy? No.
.After 14 years of the destruction of Lybia (the most prosperous country in Africa) are they living in a democracy? No.
.After 10 years of a western puppet regime in Ukraine do they have a real democracy? No.

Now we have Syria, do you think syrians will live better after switching a secular regime to a Sharia law based pseudo-state? You are naive if you believe in such thing. In fact In Iraq, Lybia and Syria the ethno religious minorities were protected and i know people who lived there for decades, before your righteous regime change cabal took place....Should i mention Somalia, Sudan, etc? Or maybe South America?....i think you have enough material do make your own research.

There was a genocide against the Kurds and Shia marsh Arabs. You are scum if you deny this.

By the way, when you guys left the evil Vietnam have you heard anything about genocides and shit? They are better since you left..

That’s shows how little you know about Iraq that you think the north Vietnamese and Saddam or al Queda in Mesopotamia are to be compared. They aren’t and it’s a tremendous insult to the Vietnamese to do so.

With that said, the "cancers" of the world, according with your perspective, are better without your intervention, because your fights against it only leads to multiple cancers.
Have you ever stopped and thought were these refugees go? All of them should go to America since you are responsible for these wars. In fact that would be an eye-opening for you guys.

Assad is responsible for those refuges. In Iraq many refugees went back after the fall of Saddam.

And let's cut the crap, this what big nations do to small nations for thousands of years.
We better stop justifying our morally dubious actions by judging the way others live and face reality as it is.

Again shows you don’t know the reality of the situation with Iraq. It’s not about big nation small nation. Iraq was in violation of every UN sanction and ruling against it. Iraq was no longer sobering.


The reason I didn’t give a detailed reply is because alot of what you said is disgusting, I addressed some of what you said already. I would address another point in more detail like the garbage “Iraq was a sovereign nation” point but I won’t until you actually READ what the fuck I took the time to write, and reply to what I said. Not give me incoherent creepily half pacifist and half fascist apologia that was your reply.

this pamphlet is what I think about Iraq and the intervention ,basically but not wholly it’s I agree with it. Hold it up against any other book or fact check. It’s from Hitchens and this topic was the cause of his life really since the gulf war but especially after 9/11. He’s good faith, he doesn’t lie, he does his homework, he has real principles and sticks to them no matter what, and he is a damn good writer. Anyway here it is, this site actually has an ai voice that can read it as an option: A long short war : the postponed liberation of Iraq : Hitchens, Christopher : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



Also Hitchens memoir Hitch 22 is extremely illuminating and again says mostly what I think. It’s one chapter of this memoir, Mesopotamia From Both Sides, that is of interest here. It is the best left-wing case for the removal of Saddam. It also explain his time with left wing Iraqis and in Iraq himself seeing the horrors of Saddam’s Iraq. The two books he mentions in that chapter are essential to understand Iraq and the war. Like these two:

Republic of fear : Kanan Makiya : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



The threatening storm : the case for invading Iraq : Pollack, Kenneth M. (Kenneth Michael), 1966- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



When I say essential I mean it, the second book I linked was one of a handful of books that really convinced enough people, and more importantly the right people, that Saddam had to go and why he had to.



Anyway the memoir audiobook is free on YouTube, you can go to the chapter on the description they have it numbered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFoAikOe15Q


If you actually read and reply to what I said I will reply in detail, otherwise I’m not wasting my time.

although he is cut out of all the videos but saddam not only calls him corrupt in his recent death trial but also the dogs of the USA and Israel just cut this part out of the footage

Currently, Ireland still considers Israel a war criminal due to the deaths of around 50 thousand innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip, Israel immediately accuses Ireland of "anti-Semitism"
I can't wait for Israel to come up with the "Nazis" and the "Holocaust" which is always a good excuse for everything from Israel

I don’t know what you are talking about and what the relevance is. This isn’t about Israel I don’t know why you bringing it up.

u didnt make any factual argument you “told” me what happened when it didnt happen that way. besides ur a libtard lmao. id rather not read a book from u about the war when ive read plenty enough about it to know what happened, simple

I have my principles and explained yes and you didn’t read it so you wouldn’t know.

like i said we killed more unarmed civilians than Saddam ever did, and we were there on false pretenses of mass weapons of destruction. thats a well known common fact

This is false.

this pamphlet is what I think about Iraq and the intervention ,basically but not wholly it’s I agree with it. Hold it up against any other book or fact check. It’s from Hitchens and this topic was the cause of his life really since the gulf war but especially after 9/11. He’s good faith, he doesn’t lie, he does his homework, he has real principles and sticks to them no matter what, and he is a damn good writer. Anyway here it is, this site actually has an ai voice that can read it as an option: A long short war : the postponed liberation of Iraq : Hitchens, Christopher : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



Also Hitchens memoir Hitch 22 is extremely illuminating and again says mostly what I think. It’s one chapter of this memoir, Mesopotamia From Both Sides, that is of interest here. It is the best left-wing case for the removal of Saddam. It also explain his time with left wing Iraqis and in Iraq himself seeing the horrors of Saddam’s Iraq. The two books he mentions in that chapter are essential to understand Iraq and the war. Like these two:

Republic of fear : Kanan Makiya : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



The threatening storm : the case for invading Iraq : Pollack, Kenneth M. (Kenneth Michael), 1966- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



When I say essential I mean it, the second book I linked was one of a handful of books that really convinced enough people, and more importantly the right people, that Saddam had to go and why he had to.



Anyway the memoir audiobook is free on YouTube, you can go to the chapter on the description they have it numbered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFoAikOe15Q

Also this book refutes your WMD point:

The bomb in my garden : the secret of Saddam's nuclear mastermind : Obeidi, Mahdi, 1944- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

xii, 242 p. ; 25 cm

archive.org

as I said, most people are like you. They don’t care or know about Iraq. I used to be like this years ago now. Or they are bad faith like you, they dismiss my argument by saying I am a. Liberal. Well what I said was true and the principles I stated I think are right. You can read the reading on Iraq and learn you wrong about Iraq or you’ll just care about being right and won’t learn.

 

[Dirl]

That analogy doesn’t fit. Iraq wasn’t a sovereign country when Saddam was removed. The regime had done things that made that so.


There was a genocide against the Kurds and Shia marsh Arabs. You are scum if you deny this.


That’s shows how little you know about Iraq that you think the north Vietnamese and Saddam or al Queda in Mesopotamia are to be compared. They aren’t and it’s a tremendous insult to the Vietnamese to do so.

Assad is responsible for those refuges. In Iraq many refugees went back after the fall of Saddam.

Again shows you don’t know the reality of the situation with Iraq. It’s not about big nation small nation. Iraq was in violation of every UN sanction and ruling against it. Iraq was no longer sobering.


The reason I didn’t give a detailed reply is because alot of what you said is disgusting, I addressed some of what you said already. I would address another point in more detail like the garbage “Iraq was a sovereign nation” point but I won’t until you actually READ what the fuck I took the time to write, and reply to what I said. Not give me incoherent creepily half pacifist and half fascist apologia that was your reply.

this pamphlet is what I think about Iraq and the intervention ,basically but not wholly it’s I agree with it. Hold it up against any other book or fact check. It’s from Hitchens and this topic was the cause of his life really since the gulf war but especially after 9/11. He’s good faith, he doesn’t lie, he does his homework, he has real principles and sticks to them no matter what, and he is a damn good writer. Anyway here it is, this site actually has an ai voice that can read it as an option:



Also Hitchens memoir Hitch 22 is extremely illuminating and again says mostly what I think. It’s one chapter of this memoir, Mesopotamia From Both Sides, that is of interest here. It is the best left-wing case for the removal of Saddam. It also explain his time with left wing Iraqis and in Iraq himself seeing the horrors of Saddam’s Iraq. The two books he mentions in that chapter are essential to understand Iraq and the war. Like these two:

Republic of fear : Kanan Makiya : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



The threatening storm : the case for invading Iraq : Pollack, Kenneth M. (Kenneth Michael), 1966- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



When I say essential I mean it, the second book I linked was one of a handful of books that really convinced enough people, and more importantly the right people, that Saddam had to go and why he had to.



Anyway the memoir audiobook is free on YouTube, you can go to the chapter on the description they have it numbered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFoAikOe15Q


If you actually read and reply to what I said I will reply in detail, otherwise I’m not wasting my time.


I don’t know what you are talking about and what the relevance is. This isn’t about Israel I don’t know why you bringing it up.


I have my principles and explained yes and you didn’t read it so you wouldn’t know.

This is false.

this pamphlet is what I think about Iraq and the intervention ,basically but not wholly it’s I agree with it. Hold it up against any other book or fact check. It’s from Hitchens and this topic was the cause of his life really since the gulf war but especially after 9/11. He’s good faith, he doesn’t lie, he does his homework, he has real principles and sticks to them no matter what, and he is a damn good writer. Anyway here it is, this site actually has an ai voice that can read it as an option: A long short war : the postponed liberation of Iraq : Hitchens, Christopher : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



Also Hitchens memoir Hitch 22 is extremely illuminating and again says mostly what I think. It’s one chapter of this memoir, Mesopotamia From Both Sides, that is of interest here. It is the best left-wing case for the removal of Saddam. It also explain his time with left wing Iraqis and in Iraq himself seeing the horrors of Saddam’s Iraq. The two books he mentions in that chapter are essential to understand Iraq and the war. Like these two:

Republic of fear : Kanan Makiya : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



The threatening storm : the case for invading Iraq : Pollack, Kenneth M. (Kenneth Michael), 1966- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive



When I say essential I mean it, the second book I linked was one of a handful of books that really convinced enough people, and more importantly the right people, that Saddam had to go and why he had to.



Anyway the memoir audiobook is free on YouTube, you can go to the chapter on the description they have it numbered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFoAikOe15Q

Also this book refutes your WMD point:

The bomb in my garden : the secret of Saddam's nuclear mastermind : Obeidi, Mahdi, 1944- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

xii, 242 p. ; 25 cm

archive.org

as I said, most people are like you. They don’t care or know about Iraq. Or they are bad faith like you, they dismiss my argument by calling me a libtards. Well what I said was true and the principles I stated I think are right. You can read the essential reading on Iraq and learn you wrong about Iraq or you’ll just care about being right and won’t learn.

I see...Your doctor prescibed speed again.
Get the fuck out, you fucking freak.

 

[Kojak Rome]

Fun fact: Former DELTA Force operator John "Shrek" McPhee, also known as the Sheriff of Baghdad, took most of Saddam Hussein's wardrobe for his palace and kept them in his closet.

There’s an iconic video of Hussein firing a Mauser rifle from his balcony, and McPhee owns the actual hat he was wearing in that moment.

 

[Satellite Monroe]

Now don’t get me wrong, I ain’t sayin’ Saddam was some kind of saint or nothin’, but they shoulda just left that fella in charge.

All takin’ him out did was create a big ol’ mess, like kickin’ over a wasp nest, and we’re still gettin’ stung by it today.

Why the U.S. did that makes about as much sense as leavin’ the porch light on for Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

u didnt make any factual argument you “told” me what happened when it didnt happen that way. besides ur a libtard lmao. id rather not read a book from u about the war when ive read plenty enough about it to know what happened, simple

like i said we killed more unarmed civilians than Saddam ever did, and we were there on false pretenses of mass weapons of destruction. thats a well known common fact

I’ll respond to your two points because they are commonly held beliefs and not everyone is and faith like you, so even if you don’t read it maybe others will because that’s the least I can do for the truth and the Kurds and Iraqi left

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Saddam and the Jihad forces killed way more than us in Iraq. Add up the totals for this:

Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia
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Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - Wikipedia
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Anfal campaign - Wikipedia
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1991 Iraqi uprisings - Wikipedia
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Plus add the deaths of the content murder and torture to death by Baathist secret police as well as lack of food and medicine, etc: Human rights in Ba'athist Iraq - Wikipedia
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Then add the Iraq War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

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Then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_the_Islamic_State

Human rights in Islamic State-controlled territory - Wikipedia

That is many hundreds of thousands, if not a million, more people than non-combatants killed by the US military ok. Over a million people compared to what 20k civilians which is what our and British forces killed, no more than 50k certainly.


Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia

To say we were the real big merchants of death in Iraq is false. It’s Baathist fascist and Islamic theocrat propaganda as well

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Another essential document that refutes the lie that your repeated that there was no wmd problem in Iraq:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/kaytestimony.pdf


You say that the weapons were exaggerated. I will say this I thing bush focused to much on weapons but the main reason he did that is because the un would only do weapons. Also I think they made to weapons to much of a point for domestic Americans and sometimes talked like Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat rather than what he was which is a latent and permanent threat. But guess what even though we didn’t find all the weapons Saddam Hussein declared and also used on his own people doesn’t mean the Iraq operation was bad for eliminating wmd. Wanna know why, because after the removal of Saddam, Gaddafi was so spooked that he went to Tony Blair and then Bush and gave up his stock. Analyzing that and stuff we did find in Iraq we discovered and closed down a good bit of the A Q Khan network:


A.Q. Khan Nuclear Smuggling Network


A. Q. Khan Nuclear Chronology


So even though we didn’t find all the weapons of Saddam the intervention was still great for disarmament.

So you are wrong in both counts sir.

I see...Your doctor prescibed speed again.
Get the fuck out, you fucking freak.

No I am just a good writer, and I have passion and know what im saying it true and I think my principles are correct. This is a subject I’m probably most passionate about actually. It’s a sub part of the general Islamic Jihad world threat and their dictator allies. The regime in Tehran is the most an egregious example of this. Iraq is part of this larger Jihad thing.

So just so you would need speed to write how I do doesn’t mean you need to tag me with that speed shit.

 

[Sabu]

Lol. Nice to see two of GGs biggest retards arguing. Christopher Bitchens and slobberingonabag. Good times. Cue Christopher Bitchens calling me a "bully."

 

[Dirl]

I’ll respond to your two points because they are commonly held beliefs and not everyone is and faith like you, so even if you don’t read it maybe others will because that’s the least I can do for the truth and the Kurds and Iraqi left

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Saddam and the Jihad forces killed way more than us in Iraq. Add up the totals for this:

Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia
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Iraqi invasion of Kuwait - Wikipedia
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Anfal campaign - Wikipedia
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1991 Iraqi uprisings - Wikipedia
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Plus add the deaths of the content murder and torture to death by Baathist secret police as well as lack of food and medicine, etc: Human rights in Ba'athist Iraq - Wikipedia
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Then add the Iraq War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

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Then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_the_Islamic_State

Human rights in Islamic State-controlled territory - Wikipedia

That is many hundreds of thousands, if not a million, more people than non-combatants killed by the US military ok. Over a million people compared to what 20k civilians which is what our and British forces killed, no more than 50k certainly.


Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia

To say we were the real big merchants of death in Iraq is false. It’s Baathist fascist and Islamic theocrat propaganda as well

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Another essential document that refutes the lie that your repeated that there was no wmd problem in Iraq:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/kaytestimony.pdf


You say that the weapons were exaggerated. I will say this I thing bush focused to much on weapons but the main reason he did that is because the un would only do weapons. Also I think they made to weapons to much of a point for domestic Americans and sometimes talked like Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat rather than what he was which is a latent and permanent threat. But guess what even though we didn’t find all the weapons Saddam Hussein declared and also used on his own people doesn’t mean the Iraq operation was bad for eliminating wmd. Wanna know why, because after the removal of Saddam, Gaddafi was so spooked that he went to Tony Blair and then Bush and gave up his stock. Analyzing that and stuff we did find in Iraq we discovered and closed down a good bit of the A Q Khan network:


A.Q. Khan Nuclear Smuggling Network


A. Q. Khan Nuclear Chronology


So even though we didn’t find all the weapons of Saddam the intervention was still great for disarmament.

So you are wrong in both counts sir.


No I am just a good writer, and I have passion and know what im saying it true and I think my principles are correct. This is a subject I’m probably most passionate about actually. It’s a sub part of the general Islamic Jihad world threat and their dictator allies. The regime in Tehran is the most an egregious example of this. Iraq is part of this larger Jihad thing.

So just so you would need speed to write how I do doesn’t mean you need to tag me with that speed shit.

Yes, you are passionate about a subject you know nothing about. That's the ridiculousness of it all. Good job imbecile.

 

[Christopher Hitchens]

Now don’t get me wrong, I ain’t sayin’ Saddam was some kind of saint or nothin’, but they shoulda just left that fella in charge.

All takin’ him out did was create a big ol’ mess, like kickin’ over a wasp nest, and we’re still gettin’ stung by it today.

Why the U.S. did that makes about as much sense as leavin’ the porch light on for Jimmy Hoffa.

Are you being serious cuz if you are I’ll reply? , probably in short considering I already addressed some of the points you raise.

Yes, you are passionate about a subject you know nothing about. That's the ridiculousness of it all.

Tell me what I wrote that is wrong, actually address what I say. Read the books I mentioned, tell me why they are wrong. Read The Threatening Storm book that I linked for free. Tell me why it’s wrong.

What’s ridiculous is you and your bad faith attitude and paranoid reactionary critiques.

Lol. Nice to see two of GGs biggest retards arguing. Christopher Bitchens and slobberingonabag. Good times. Cue Christopher Bitchens calling me a "bully."

You are a crazy person sabu more than a bully. You like almost don’t know any better, you are manic and anger. You are a crazy person sabu, not so much a bully though you use bully tactics I suppose.

 

[Sabu]

Yes, you are passionate about a subject you know nothing about. That's the ridiculousness of it all. Good job imbecile.

Careful man. He reads CNN articles, Wikipedia and reddit. He knows all.

 

[Dirl]

Are you being serious cuz if you are I’ll reply? , probably in short considering I already addressed some of the points you raise.


Tell me what I wrote that is wrong, actually address what I say. Read the books I mentioned, tell me why they are wrong. Read The Threatening Storm book that I linked for free. Tell me why it’s wrong.

What’s ridiculous is you and your bad faith attitude and paranoid reactionary critiques.

You are wrong for the simple fact that you ignore the true reason for Saddam's demonization and the subsequent war.

Spheres of influence, have you heard of them? It seems not

Stay there with your morals and propaganda because they don't convince anyone but yourself.