What came first the laws of nature, or the universe?

[hedgerow]

all we are is dust in the wind

 

[Russellmark11]

Even if energy existed outside of time, that means it still existed and we run into the same problem as to where energy came from. Even if you explain away how the universe started with the big bang, your still left with this problem of where energy came from. And we have another dilemma, about the laws of nature. If they are neither unseen or physical how do they exist?

Without laws it is very difficult to explain practice of the physical sciences and to explain why certain regularities and patterns among events hold. Because the Laws of nature put limits on what is possible and persist without any external causes. They are unbreakable patterns and are mere abstractions and thus cannot by themselves explain anything.

If one believes in God then one must also believe in the concept that something can come from nothing,

 

[slickrick27]

Without laws it is very difficult to explain practice of the physical sciences and to explain why certain regularities and patterns among events hold. Because the Laws of nature put limits on what is possible and persist without any external causes. They are unbreakable patterns and are mere abstractions and thus cannot by themselves explain anything.

If one believes in God then one must also believe in the concept that something can come from nothing,

I think I posted the right video here. I believe it's possible for everything to have came from nothing in the sense that there was still a force of nature that existed. Space, time and matter had to of been created together. This 60 second video explains it better than I can.

 

[Russellmark11]

Nope
Fred Hoyle used the term "Big Bang" to mock the theory proposed by Georges Lemaître because he disagreed with it. However, the term ended up being widely accepted and used to describe the theory. He didn't use it incorrectly. I also said it didn't describe how the universe began, hence why other theories were listed.

Also the name wasn't coined for the "less educated" either, but for its simplicity and to make it accessible to a wider audience, including those without extensive scientific backgrounds.

Hoyle was staunchly opposed to the big bang theory, but the name wasn’t necessarily intended to mock it. He just thought it was an apt description for the explosive idea, and that it highlighted the way in which it differed from the theory he championed. Because the Big Bang wasn't an explosion of matter, it was an expansion of space itself. There is no center of space, the Big Bang happened at every point in space, all of space began to expand at once. Sooo yep.

 

[SomaticDefilement]

Alot of people are turned off by the idea of god because they think that its some type of sky dumbledore figure but to me thats not the case. Its more like what ur insinuating like an underlying possibly sentient fabric of reality

 

[Russellmark11]

I think I posted the right video here. I believe it's possible for everything to have came from nothing in the sense that there was still a force of nature that existed. Space, time and matter had to of been created together. This 60 second video explains it better than I can.

He gets his argument from Thomas Aquinas who lived in the 1200's. They wouldn't have to have been created together. If you start counting like 0, 1, 2, 3 you would have a beginning but you can also count as 0,-1,-2,-3 which would suggests that the successuon of events and/or Time doesnt have a beginning.

 

[evil retard]

where did God come from?

bethlehem. come on now.

 

[Dolly]

Hoyle was staunchly opposed to the big bang theory, but the name wasn’t necessarily intended to mock it. He just thought it was an apt description for the explosive idea, and that it highlighted the way in which it differed from the theory he championed. Because the Big Bang wasn't an explosion of matter, it was an expansion of space itself. There is no center of space, the Big Bang happened at every point in space, all of space began to expand at once. Sooo yep.

Seems like you're always on the lookout to criticize, add irrelevant information, nitpick others and act like you're the smartest one in the room. You even go as far as rewriting what others say. You read like you are a pseudo-intellectual solipsistic narcissist.

bethlehem. come on now.

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Thats baby Jesus, and that still is from a video on his onlyfans if you get the whole video from behind his paywall hes doggy fucking a really fat lass, (you can just see her back) one of his disciples covertly filmed it but cracked up laughing, so here you see Jesus saying 'Whats the issue Lazarus, its like a moped dude, everyone wants a quick ride on one, but nobody wants their mates to see it' at the end he cums on her bum and turns it into cocaine.

 

[lechmich]

Despite the Big Bang, “Cosmic Origins Remain a Mystery”

Did you know that evolutionary scientists can’t explain where space, time, matter, and energy came from?

answersingenesis.org

Alot of people don't know that the big bang theory doesn't explain the creation of the cosmos, but rather the evolution of it. So even if someone were to accept the big bang theory, where were the forces of nature before matter? If you believe in the laws of nature, they aren't physical, they aren't something we can see even with a telescope or microscope, but we know they are there and they exist. Kinda sounds like God to me, what do you think?


If I were to believe that something came from nothing, there were still the laws and forces of nature that govern the entire universe. Which means there was still something even before matter existed. There had to of been some kind of energy, and we know through physics, energy can not be created from nothing.

I think what you are assuming is that the "big bang" was the start of all time. This is not necessarily so

 

[evil retard]

Thats baby Jesus

yes. jesus is part of the trinity, so i wasn't wrong.

that still is from a video on his onlyfans if you get the whole video from behind his paywall hes doggy fucking a really fat lass, (you can just see her back) one of his disciples covertly filmed it but cracked up laughing, so here you see Jesus saying 'Whats the issue Lazarus, its like a moped dude, everyone wants a quick ride on one, but nobody wants their mates to see it' at the end he cums on her bum and turns it into cocaine

are you a kike? if not, quit talking like one.

If you want to keep believing in god then you should probably stop reading up on science. It will disappoint you.

there's two types of scientists: christian scientists and jewish scientists. all i have to do is listen to the christian scientists, and science will be all fine and dandy. i learned never to trust a kike quite early. it's truly a damn shame you fags still fall for their godless tricks. unsurprisingly, that "big bang theory" was inspired by genesis 1:3. i listened to what that christian scientist had to say about his theory, and i wasn't disappointed. it helped me understand what genesis 1:3 may have meant. see? simple as that.

If one believes in God then one must also believe in the concept that something can come from nothing,

wait. you're saying if i believe god always existed, then i believe god always existed. wow. so smart. just kidding. so stupid. stupid intellectual wannabe.

 

[methedup77]

The term "Big Bang theory" is named so because it is the beginning point it describes. There are many other theories such as inflation theory, cyclic universe theory, string theory, etc etc. Some consider the vague possibility of a God theory too.


Regarding it being impossible in your words for 'something to come from nothing', where did God come from?

Form the Godmother and Godfather

 

[DrGoodEvil]

Despite the Big Bang, “Cosmic Origins Remain a Mystery”

Did you know that evolutionary scientists can’t explain where space, time, matter, and energy came from?

answersingenesis.org

Alot of people don't know that the big bang theory doesn't explain the creation of the cosmos, but rather the evolution of it. So even if someone were to accept the big bang theory, where were the forces of nature before matter? If you believe in the laws of nature, they aren't physical, they aren't something we can see even with a telescope or microscope, but we know they are there and they exist. Kinda sounds like God to me, what do you think?


If I were to believe that something came from nothing, there were still the laws and forces of nature that govern the entire universe. Which means there was still something even before matter existed. There had to of been some kind of energy, and we know through physics, energy can not be created from nothing.

I'm not sure which came 1st. What I AM CERTAIN OF though is that the most productive, positive, GOOD existence lies in when we follow Natural Order and Universal Law. AND that Darkness and Chaos lie where we thwart it. Without question, we need to make a much greater point about following this. It's the shunning of our Nature that is fuckin' us up.

 

[snagahbag]

An egg that was laid by a pre-chicken bird and contained the first chicken. Evolution 👍

evolution is actually an unproven theory.

 

[btmboi]

If one believes in God then one must also believe in the concept that something can come from nothing,

back to my question before.

if something can come from nothing then what is god and where did he "show up" from nothing?

 

[Russellmark11]

yes. jesus is part of the trinity, so i wasn't wrong.

are you a kike? if not, quit talking like one.

there's two types of scientists: christian scientists and jewish scientists. all i have to do is listen to the christian scientists, and science will be all fine and dandy. i learned never to trust a kike quite early. it's truly a damn shame you fags still fall for their godless tricks. unsurprisingly, that "big bang theory" was inspired by genesis 1:3. i listened to what that christian scientist had to say about his theory, and i wasn't disappointed. it helped me understand what genesis 1:3 may have meant. see? simple as that.

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wait. you're saying if i believe god always existed, then i believe god always existed. wow. so smart. just kidding. so stupid. stupid intellectual wannabe.

Wow. An unoriginal racist who isn't that bright. What are the odds those characteristics are always complimenting the other?
And no that isn't what I was saying but it doesn't surprise me you are unable to comprehend it tho.

back to my question before.

if something can come from nothing then what is god and where did he "show up" from nothing?

I don't know what you call "God." The answer to the question where did "He" come into existence from or how did the universe begin from nothing is that it doesn't really matter because however it happened it did happen. So much goes into how it all began but the fact will always be that it did begin.

Seems like you're always on the lookout to criticize, add irrelevant information, nitpick others and act like you're the smartest one in the room. You even go as far as rewriting what others say. You read like you are a pseudo-intellectual solipsistic narcissist.


Thats baby Jesus, and that still is from a video on his onlyfans if you get the whole video from behind his paywall hes doggy fucking a really fat lass, (you can just see her back) one of his disciples covertly filmed it but cracked up laughing, so here you see Jesus saying 'Whats the issue Lazarus, its like a moped dude, everyone wants a quick ride on one, but nobody wants their mates to see it' at the end he cums on her bum and turns it into cocaine.

You read as if you are jealous and are under the impression you are educated. Your shortcomings are that you don't research that well.
And I'm not rewriting what others say. Did you go and listen to the radio broadcast that was released or did you merely google and read what a couple of people who probably didn't listen to it either and just took someone's opinion of it out of context. There's also a book that came out in 2013 that was written by a colleague of his who goes over the entire event and says he wasn't making a joke of it because that's not what scientist do. He was trying to use a term to simplify the theory as he compared it to his theory and that his oversimplification caused the misunderstanding.
Go read a book instead of an article that is written by someone who hasn't done any research on the subject. You might actually learn the truth.

 

[hedgerow]

Seems like you're always on the lookout to criticize, add irrelevant information, nitpick others and act like you're the smartest one in the room. You even go as far as rewriting what others say. You read like you are a pseudo-intellectual solipsistic narcissist.


Thats baby Jesus, and that still is from a video on his onlyfans if you get the whole video from behind his paywall hes doggy fucking a really fat lass, (you can just see her back) one of his disciples covertly filmed it but cracked up laughing, so here you see Jesus saying 'Whats the issue Lazarus, its like a moped dude, everyone wants a quick ride on one, but nobody wants their mates to see it' at the end he cums on her bum and turns it into cocaine.

^ pot meet kettle

bethlehem. come on now.

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[Dolly]

You read as if you are jealous and are under the impression you are educated. Your shortcomings are that you don't research that well.
And I'm not rewriting what others say. Did you go and listen to the radio broadcast that was released or did you merely google and read what a couple of people who probably didn't listen to it either and just took someone's opinion of it out of context. There's also a book that came out in 2013 that was written by a colleague of his who goes over the entire event and says he wasn't making a joke of it because that's not what scientist do. He was trying to use a term to simplify the theory as he compared it to his theory and that his oversimplification caused the misunderstanding.
Go read a book instead of an article that is written by someone who hasn't done any research on the subject. You might actually learn the truth.

and there you are being hurt by having your ego smacked a little bit. but even negativity is fuel to a narcissist.

you even copied my words fyi.

Regarding it being impossible in your words for 'something to come from nothing', where did God come from?

into your words

If one believes in God then one must also believe in the concept that something can come from nothing,

I shall leave you to google your reply

 

[evil retard]

Wow. An unoriginal racist who isn't that bright. What are the odds those characteristics are always complimenting the other?
And no that isn't what I was saying but it doesn't surprise me you are unable to comprehend it tho.

don't get so butthurt, fag. i simplified your roundabout claim. it's not my fault you can't comprehend your own claims.

 

[btmboi]

in ancient times many tried to philosophize the start of our origins but when the jesus times rolled around they weaponized independent thinking with the bible.

every violent religion does this, its called heresy. we only need to open any history book to find the proof.

so again, what is god, not who?

 

[Fäthër Cörpsë]

You’re going to wind up with your own megathread, keeping posting nonsense, man.