Dirlewanger Brigade Vs. Mexican Cartels. (2 Viewers)

[NILIII]

Germans were steamrolling all of Europe and Russia until the United States got involved literally less than 10 years after being in an extreme depression with starvation and death in the streets.

They had been through far worse than anything Mexicans have been through in their lives.

The Germans would roll through and annihilate Mexicans in general with little to no opposition.

France didn't fight at all and Britain only lasted 3 months and it had never been defeated before except for the American Revolution.

To put it into perspective, 300 Spanish Conquistadors conquered the entirety of Mexico.

The Nazis created the first modern special operations units and were highly trained and ready to completely annihilate enemies in a total war as they intended.

Cartels wouldn't stand a chance, they are mostly rag tag drug addicts that spend their time drinking beer, doing drugs in some shack or house while smuggling drugs or carrying out small skirmishes against rival cartels, they have very little real training because as we've seen, they have never been able to win any battles against the Mexican Army at any point in modern history, they take heavy losses and get stacked.

Germans were highly trained, highly motivated and would stop at nothing to completely conquer Mexico relentlessly.

Even modern Mexico wouldn't last a week against WW2 Nazi Germany.

 

[D.O.A.]

Both as brutal as each other, all ex criminals and murderers.
Modern weapons edge it.

This is the correct answer, both are fucking nuts and it's only military training that seperates them. They'll both saw off your head and rape your mother.

 

[Graziani]

Germans were steamrolling all of Europe and Russia until the United States got involved literally less than 10 years after being in an extreme depression with starvation and death in the streets.

They had been through far worse than anything Mexicans have been through in their lives.

The Germans would roll through and annihilate Mexicans in general with little to no opposition.

France didn't fight at all and Britain only lasted 3 months and it had never been defeated before except for the American Revolution.

To put it into perspective, 300 Spanish Conquistadors conquered the entirety of Mexico.

The Nazis created the first modern special operations units and were highly trained and ready to completely annihilate enemies in a total war as they intended.

Cartels wouldn't stand a chance, they are mostly rag tag drug addicts that spend their time drinking beer, doing drugs in some shack or house while smuggling drugs or carrying out small skirmishes against rival cartels, they have very little real training because as we've seen, they have never been able to win any battles against the Mexican Army at any point in modern history, they take heavy losses and get stacked.

Germans were highly trained, highly motivated and would stop at nothing to completely conquer Mexico relentlessly.

Even modern Mexico wouldn't last a week against WW2 Nazi Germany.

By numbers, germans were the most brutal. Total are 60 millions people death. Roman empire is my fav. About brutality. Die in battle by sword is cool

 

[lechmich]

Is this another one of those neoNotzi fantasies?

Dirlewanger was a dirty little rockspider, and also died without his uniform on - so there's that

 

[Brother Birt]

I bet the Taliban could kick their asses. Real shit, they can sell heroin to stay in the money. They have combat experience. Religious principles would make it incredibly hard to eliminate all of them. Generations of new recruits every year would negate the Cartels willing volunteers, and all those flaying vids would just create more Taliban and even more brutal reprisals. Imagine them fighting, the cartel would be routed almost every time because the Taliban simply kill themselves to blow you up or something. A VBIED would destroy their precious "narco tanks". The cartel would get looted and booted QUICK.

 

[Nihilianth]

Those Cartels would be Spreken De Deutsch if it wasn't for the USA kicking Germany's ass WW2. So I got to go with the Germans.

That's really debatable. I don't think the Germans would come anywhere near conquering the world, even without the USA involved. Certainly not the Western Hemisphere or Asia.

Japan would have had no way of hanging onto China for long, not without it's precious oil that would be needed to keep their supply lines supplied. And they were guzzling it like a bunch of drunken sailors. The German supply lines would have been far too extensive to even make it anywhere near China.

Germany also would.never be able to actually invade England. Hell, they lost the Battle of Britain before they even stupidly got the USSR involved. And that's the other thing:

Hitler was a stupid fuck. Impatient, petulant, and extremely wasteful. Only way Germany could have survived, is if the top brass eliminated him and put someone like Rommel in charge.

Germans were steamrolling all of Europe and Russia until the United States got involved literally less than 10 years after being in an extreme depression with starvation and death in the streets.

They had been through far worse than anything Mexicans have been through in their lives.

The Germans would roll through and annihilate Mexicans in general with little to no opposition.

France didn't fight at all and Britain only lasted 3 months and it had never been defeated before except for the American Revolution.

To put it into perspective, 300 Spanish Conquistadors conquered the entirety of Mexico.

The Nazis created the first modern special operations units and were highly trained and ready to completely annihilate enemies in a total war as they intended.

Cartels wouldn't stand a chance, they are mostly rag tag drug addicts that spend their time drinking beer, doing drugs in some shack or house while smuggling drugs or carrying out small skirmishes against rival cartels, they have very little real training because as we've seen, they have never been able to win any battles against the Mexican Army at any point in modern history, they take heavy losses and get stacked.

Germans were highly trained, highly motivated and would stop at nothing to completely conquer Mexico relentlessly.

Even modern Mexico wouldn't last a week against WW2 Nazi Germany.

Uuuuuuuummmmm......Germany lost in the Battle of Britain when the UK was fighting alone. Hitler got frustrated, and decided to stupidly attack Russia. It's the landscape and the weather in Russia that invading armies have to fight. And WWII German armor couldn't get through the mud in the spring, and their supply lines were shit during the winter. The 8th army was reeling and fighting a defensive battle by 1943, meaning the Russians and Austrian partisans stopped them in their tracks, just as the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK could even launch D-Day.

In other words, the Germans lost against the British. Then turned their attention to Russia and had lost all their momentum. They could defeat England by itself. Then they couldn't defeat Russia by itself. Which means the Germans were only the third most powerful military in Europe.

Also, by 1943, the UBoats were going onto it's last legs against the RN. The Brits had developed radar, sonar, and the enigma machine. They were master engineers and spies. The USA only sped up Germany's demise by making D-Day a possible success.

As for a WWII era Germany against today's Mexico....LMFAO. I'm not sure where you're even getting this from. Even if the USN and the RN stayed completely out of it (no way in hell they would IRL, but for argument's sake, let's say they would), a WWII Germany wouldn't be able to maintain its supply lines across the Atlantic, and very deep into Mexico. It concentrated far more on its UBoats, and didn't really have a merchant marine to speak of. They're a LAND army. NOT an ocean-going nation. Which is why they lost against the UK.

Furthermore, despite being shitty murdering assfucks, the cartels wouldn't allow a WWII Nazi army to land without a fight. The Nazis would be fighting against the cartels, the Federales, and the Mexican army, navy, and air force, all armed with modern weaponry. Germans would have zero aircover in Mexico. None. Nada. A handful of modern jets, nevermind along with a complement of modern bombers, would have made instant swiss cheese if the Graff Zeppelen and it's complement of 42 fighters and bombers. Same with any other WWII ships that dare approach the shores of any modern nation. Hell, the Mexican air force would sink half the German army before it could ever even think of gaining any sort of beach head.

 

[Julioadrian21]

Definitely NOT a bunch of monkeys with guns....

But

Didn't the Taliban beat the Russians
And
Not so long the Americans also got their ass beaten
By a bunch of 🐒?

 

[macread]

That's really debatable. I don't think the Germans would come anywhere near conquering the world, even without the USA involved. Certainly not the Western Hemisphere or Asia.

Japan would have had no way of hanging onto China for long, not without it's precious oil that would be needed to keep their supply lines supplied. And they were guzzling it like a bunch of drunken sailors. The German supply lines would have been far too extensive to even make it anywhere near China.

Germany also would.never be able to actually invade England. Hell, they lost the Battle of Britain before they even stupidly got the USSR involved. And that's the other thing:

Hitler was a stupid fuck. Impatient, petulant, and extremely wasteful. Only way Germany could have survived, is if the top brass eliminated him and put someone like Rommel in charge.


Uuuuuuuummmmm......Germany lost in the Battle of Britain when the UK was fighting alone. Hitler got frustrated, and decided to stupidly attack Russia. It's the landscape and the weather in Russia that invading armies have to fight. And WWII German armor couldn't get through the mud in the spring, and their supply lines were shit during the winter. The 8th army was reeling and fighting a defensive battle by 1943, meaning the Russians and Austrian partisans stopped them in their tracks, just as the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK could even launch D-Day.

In other words, the Germans lost against the British. Then turned their attention to Russia and had lost all their momentum. They could defeat England by itself. Then they couldn't defeat Russia by itself. Which means the Germans were only the third most powerful military in Europe.

Also, by 1943, the UBoats were going onto it's last legs against the RN. The Brits had developed radar, sonar, and the enigma machine. They were master engineers and spies. The USA only sped up Germany's demise by making D-Day a possible success.

As for a WWII era Germany against today's Mexico....LMFAO. I'm not sure where you're even getting this from. Even if the USN and the RN stayed completely out of it (no way in hell they would IRL, but for argument's sake, let's say they would), a WWII Germany wouldn't be able to maintain its supply lines across the Atlantic, and very deep into Mexico. It concentrated far more on its UBoats, and didn't really have a merchant marine to speak of. They're a LAND army. NOT an ocean-going nation. Which is why they lost against the UK.

Furthermore, despite being shitty murdering assfucks, the cartels wouldn't allow a WWII Nazi army to land without a fight. The Nazis would be fighting against the cartels, the Federales, and the Mexican army, navy, and air force, all armed with modern weaponry. Germans would have zero aircover in Mexico. None. Nada. A handful of modern jets, nevermind along with a complement of modern bombers, would have made instant swiss cheese if the Graff Zeppelen and it's complement of 42 fighters and bombers. Same with any other WWII ships that dare approach the shores of any modern nation. Hell, the Mexican air force would sink half the German army before it could ever even think of gaining any sort of beach head.

The English channel saved Britain in WW2 if not for that they would have went from bottom to top of the UK in days.

 

[Nihilianth]

The English channel saved Britain in WW2 if not for that they would have went from bottom to top of the UK in days.

Oh yeah? Well, being surrounded by land on all sides as a land power allowed the German Blitzkrieg to work to begin with.

That's how dumb that excuse is.

It doesn't change the fact that Germany, not being a naval power, ignored the warnings from an actual naval power that was a virtual fortress. And said naval power also had perhaps the best diplomatic corps in the world, with worldwide connections, including the mighty industrial nation of the USA.

That's also ignores the fact that Britain would eventually develop radar and sonar which played even further into their hands as a naval power.

In addition to making the mistake of thinking it could wage war against the RN, Germany ALSO made the mistake of underestimating the rest of the British Empire and the USA. Even as the British UNDERSTOOD the importance of their relations!

So the negatives of the Nazi underestimation of everyone else, played even deeper as a positive for the British in understanding everyone else's strengths.

For some stupid reason the dumbass Nazis (Hitler, the big moron that he was), didn't understand that the USA was a major industrial power, and that we mainly speak English and that the French are our oldest allies. The shores of Western Europe are also very convenient for maintaining deep ties with the British and the French. They never considered the possibility of the industrial merchant nation of the USA would and could supply the English with much-needed materiel. Again, that comes with the British strength of her diplomatic corps, that made the negative aspect of Germany's non-awareness of diplomacy dig even deeper.

To top it off even worse, was Germany's treatment of minorities vs. the UK's treatment of minorities. While the Germans were busy slaughtering people they considered "different," the English had developed a strong reputation for treating minorities better and better with every passing generation, beginning with freeing the colonial slaves during the American Revolution. This played very well into the hands of the British in obtaining pilots from literally everywhere and all backgrounds:

Poles, Czachs, Jews, African Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders; bolstering their own numbers of pilots, even as the German Air force was grinding down due to attrition with no way to replace their fallen or captured pilots.

Combined with being much more aware about geography than the Nazis ever were; another British strength, being surrounded by water as a naval power and understanding how the world actually is, the RAF only deepend that strength of theirs and also deepend that as a weakness for Germany.

You CANNOT sit here and just say "Well, of the UK wasn't surrounded by water...."

That's the thing: it IS surrounded by water! The British have always ruled the waves! This is a fundamental aspect of European history, understanding geography, and playing to your geographical strengths! It's the single most important aspect of war-planning! If.you want to go to.war against Switzerland, you CANNOT ignore the fact that the Swiss Alps exist! You can't just throw.ylur hands in the air and say "if only the Alps didn't exist!"

And that brings me to my final point:

The Nazis' unrealistic of actual reality was their own further undoing when they decided to attack the enormous land of Russia! Just as you cannot ignore geography (terraine), you also cannot ignore weather, distance, and maintaining supply lines! Bullets for guns don't just magically resupply into the guns that are being fired, despite what the movies make you believe. They have to be manufactured, then shipped to the front lines. And not just bullets. Medical supplies, food, other types of ammunition. They HAVE to find their way into the hands of the front line soldiers. And when those soldiers go on to be a thousand miles away from the source of the supplies, the more soldiers and.equipment is required in guarding the supply lines. The more fuel will.be consumed. And the longer it takes for the supplies to reach the soldiers and therefore, the more trucks and railroads that would be needed to supply the same amount of materiel.

Germany hadn't defeated the UK, the UK had developed a superior piece of technology that was allowing a larger and larger percentage of American made products to reach British shores. ....and then Hitler made the biggest dumbfuck mistake of his short career:

He attacked the USSR! AND he attacked them a solid 2 to 3 months later than he should have!

The Nazis defeated themselves far more than their actual enemies have!

 

[macread]

Oh yeah? Well, being surrounded by land on all sides as a land power allowed the German Blitzkrieg to work to begin with.

That's how dumb that excuse is.

It doesn't change the fact that Germany, not being a naval power, ignored the warnings from an actual naval power that was a virtual fortress. And said naval power also had perhaps the best diplomatic corps in the world, with worldwide connections, including the mighty industrial nation of the USA.

That's also ignores the fact that Britain would eventually develop radar and sonar which played even further into their hands as a naval power.

In addition to making the mistake of thinking it could wage war against the RN, Germany ALSO made the mistake of underestimating the rest of the British Empire and the USA. Even as the British UNDERSTOOD the importance of their relations!

So the negatives of the Nazi underestimation of everyone else, played even deeper as a positive for the British in understanding everyone else's strengths.

For some stupid reason the dumbass Nazis (Hitler, the big moron that he was), didn't understand that the USA was a major industrial power, and that we mainly speak English and that the French are our oldest allies. The shores of Western Europe are also very convenient for maintaining deep ties with the British and the French. They never considered the possibility of the industrial merchant nation of the USA would and could supply the English with much-needed materiel. Again, that comes with the British strength of her diplomatic corps, that made the negative aspect of Germany's non-awareness of diplomacy dig even deeper.

To top it off even worse, was Germany's treatment of minorities vs. the UK's treatment of minorities. While the Germans were busy slaughtering people they considered "different," the English had developed a strong reputation for treating minorities better and better with every passing generation, beginning with freeing the colonial slaves during the American Revolution. This played very well into the hands of the British in obtaining pilots from literally everywhere and all backgrounds:

Poles, Czachs, Jews, African Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders; bolstering their own numbers of pilots, even as the German Air force was grinding down due to attrition with no way to replace their fallen or captured pilots.

Combined with being much more aware about geography than the Nazis ever were; another British strength, being surrounded by water as a naval power and understanding how the world actually is, the RAF only deepend that strength of theirs and also deepend that as a weakness for Germany.

You CANNOT sit here and just say "Well, of the UK wasn't surrounded by water...."

That's the thing: it IS surrounded by water! The British have always ruled the waves! This is a fundamental aspect of European history, understanding geography, and playing to your geographical strengths! It's the single most important aspect of war-planning! If.you want to go to.war against Switzerland, you CANNOT ignore the fact that the Swiss Alps exist! You can't just throw.ylur hands in the air and say "if only the Alps didn't exist!"

And that brings me to my final point:

The Nazis' unrealistic of actual reality was their own further undoing when they decided to attack the enormous land of Russia! Just as you cannot ignore geography (terraine), you also cannot ignore weather, distance, and maintaining supply lines! Bullets for guns don't just magically resupply into the guns that are being fired, despite what the movies make you believe. They have to be manufactured, then shipped to the front lines. And not just bullets. Medical supplies, food, other types of ammunition. They HAVE to find their way into the hands of the front line soldiers. And when those soldiers go on to be a thousand miles away from the source of the supplies, the more soldiers and.equipment is required in guarding the supply lines. The more fuel will.be consumed. And the longer it takes for the supplies to reach the soldiers and therefore, the more trucks and railroads that would be needed to supply the same amount of materiel.

Germany hadn't defeated the UK, the UK had developed a superior piece of technology that was allowing a larger and larger percentage of American made products to reach British shores. ....and then Hitler made the biggest dumbfuck mistake of his short career:

He attacked the USSR! AND he attacked them a solid 2 to 3 months later than he should have!

The Nazis defeated themselves far more than their actual enemies have!

Which brings me to my original post. If Britain had been a part of mainland Europe the Germans would have marched right through it. Remember Dunkirk? the 250,000 men cornered and for some reason Germany did not wipe them out as they could have. Regarding the US they were not going to physically enter the war till Pearl harbour. The English channel saved Britain and that is a fact it was too easy for Hitler and he was the reason for the downfall of Germany not his generals.

 

[Nihilianth]

Which brings me to my original post. If Britain had been a part of mainland Europe the Germans would have marched right through it. Remember Dunkirk? the 250,000 men cornered and for some reason Germany did not wipe them out as they could have. Regarding the US they were not going to physically enter the war till Pearl harbour. The English channel saved Britain and that is a fact it was too easy for Hitler and he was the reason for the downfall of Germany not his generals.

Holy shit, dude!

But. They're. NOT. Part. Of. Mainland. Europe! That's the entire fucking point!

As I already said, you can't just throw your hands in the air and say "If only that mountain didn't exist!" But it does! Terrestrial features are a HUGE part of war planning! The Nazis were fucking retarded!

The English Channel DOES exist! The Royal Navy HAS existed for centuries! Nothing you complain about changes these facts, and the retards in Nazi Germany overlooked it all!

"If the UK was part of mainland Europe" isn't a fucking argument, because it not, and never has been. If you're going to go to war against another country, you HAVE to consider geography!

Jesus, an ancient Chinese general famously figured this out a millennia ago, and wrote a famous book about it that's required reading at West Point!