Serious Roe V Wade, and what does it really mean?

[cannedkittens]

I fail to see your point. Maybe take off your hat.........

Males are born therefore are affected by this matter, therefore have a say in the matter.

 

[bipolar_transistor]

They court fuck this up. There is no right to privacy. Other wise I would’ve eating opium.

 

[Sauerkraut]

It means that coat hangers can be multi use again.

 

[HauptArschloch]

I haven’t seen anyone bring up the safety issue yet but to address that. Before RvW was established, in 1933 there were 2,700 abortion (both legal and illegal) related deaths, by 1945 that figure dropped to about 888 deaths the dramatic drop is said to be because of the availability of antibiotics, the trend of abortion related deaths continue to shrink every year. Then in the year 1972 before the year RvW was established abortion related deaths dropped to 63, 38 of them being legal abortions. Just wanted to say this if someone wanted to argue the ‘safety’ of abortions.

So if abortion was legal for rape/incest. Do you agree other reasons for abortion are not valid? If you do think other reasons for having abortions other than the extreme reasons are valid then don’t bring up the extremes.

Okay so if its 100% her body, lets say hypothetically the women is pregnant with a boy, does that mean she has a penis? or does she have 20 fingers and 20 toes? If not who’s

I haven’t seen anyone bring up the safety issue yet but to address that. Before RvW was established, in 1933 there were 2,700 abortion (both legal and illegal) related deaths, by 1945 that figure dropped to about 888 deaths the dramatic drop is said to be because of the availability of antibiotics, the trend of abortion related deaths continue to shrink every year. Then in the year 1972 before the year RvW was established abortion related deaths dropped to 63, 38 of them being legal abortions. Just wanted to say this if someone wanted to argue the ‘safety’ of abortions.

So if abortion was legal for rape/incest. Do you agree other reasons for abortion are not valid? If you do think other reasons for having abortions other than the extreme reasons are valid then don’t bring up the extremes.

Okay so if its 100% her body, lets say hypothetically the women is pregnant with a boy, does that mean she has a penis? or does she have 20 fingers and 20 toes? If not who’s are they?

Males are born therefore are affected by this matter, therefore have a say in the matter.

Perhaps the actual male who fathered the child by ejaculating in the woman’s vagina may have a say. That is if he agrees to financially support the child and act as his “dad” for the rest of the child’s life. However, some random male stranger has fuck all to say about what happens. And that includes those old fossils ón your supreme kangaroo court. That body lost legitimacy long ago.

 

[WhatIsLife64]

It's a complicated subject. I need another drink.

 

[mrln]

It's a complicated subject. I need another drink.

because the fucktards in washington made it that way. just like with everything else.
see why now the people stormed the capitol? people have had enough!

Bullshit, all it does is to allow individual states decide what laws they want regarding abortions.
You fucking ignorant left wing bitches believe everything MSNBC and CNN tells you what to believe.
Try and do some research before you retards open up those cock holsters and spew the mainstream media lies!

oh because i have a different opinion than you,im all of a sudden a leftist?
good job fucko

 

[Hyun]

because the fucktards in washington made it that way. just like with everything else.
see why now the people stormed the capitol? people have had enough!

oh because i have a different opinion than you,im all of a sudden a leftist?
good job fucko

I have a whole rant on the capitol but the short version is that there is alot of evidence that indicates the alphabet agencies with the help of the DNC orchestrated the storming.

I don’t know your politcal orientation but based on some of the things you’ve said that is generally the consensus of main stream liberal/progressive opinions.

 

[mrln]

I have a whole rant on the capitol but the short version is that there is alot of evidence that indicates the alphabet agencies with the help of the DNC orchestrated the storming.

I don’t know your politcal orientation but based on some of the things you’ve said that is generally the consensus of main stream liberal/progressive opinions.

im neither dem or repub. i say it as i see it. is it right? i dont know. is it wrong? i dont know. its how i feel. and nothing wrong with that.
i believe the agencies had their hand in on it as well. they know how to feed their fire,they set on the public. a lot of stuff has been brewing for a very long time.

 

[Hyun]

im neither dem or repub. i say it as i see it. is it right? i dont know. is it wrong? i dont know. its how i feel. and nothing wrong with that.
i believe the agencies had their hand in on it as well. they know how to feed their fire,they set on the public. a lot of stuff has been brewing for a very long time.

The whole abortion argument is just based on whether its immoral to kill the baby, the right has always championed that it was a life to begin with and it wasn't until recently that the left has adopted the view point that it is also life. (look up naomi wolf hardcore left femmenist) But if you can logically explain why it is morally justified to do so, I’m all ears

 

[RattleHead]

Perhaps the actual male who fathered the child by ejaculating in the woman’s vagina may have a say. That is if he agrees to financially support the child and act as his “dad” for the rest of the child’s life. However, some random male stranger has fuck all to say about what happens. And that includes those old fossils ón your supreme kangaroo court. That body lost legitimacy long ago.

Why so much knowledge of our system if you dont live here? Is there not enough to keep you entertained in your own shithole country? Also you sound like the mother of a few dead babies yourself.

 

[mrln]

The whole abortion argument is just based on whether its immoral to kill the baby, the right has always championed that it was a life to begin with and it wasn't until recently that the left has adopted the view point that it is also life. (look up naomi wolf hardcore left femmenist) But if you can logically explain why it is morally justified to do so, I’m all ears

sounds like your saying my moral compass needs to be re calibrated. because no matter what i say,your not going to agree with or find moral.

 

[Hyun]

sounds like your saying my moral compass needs to be re calibrated. because no matter what i say,your not going to agree with or find moral.

No feel free the feel however you want recalibrate or not truly. I acknowledge that not everybody has the same morals and beliefs, all I’m saying is that I think that my point of view seems more logical to me, and that all I ask is that perhaps if you explain it to me that makes sense maybe you can change my mind.

If it felt like I was telling you that you need to recalibrate that wasn’t my intention. (but if you need to recalibrate so do I, we’re on a gore site lol)

 

[HauptArschloch]

Why so much knowledge of our system if you dont live here? Is there not enough to keep you entertained in your own shithole country? Also you sound like the mother of a few dead babies yourself.

Lol! Why? Because I find huge amusement in watching the daily proceedings from your shithole country. Not that it’s always been a shithole mind you. You use to be looked up to by the world. Seems your slide into shitholedom has excellerated in the past few decades. You once had the support of the entire world after 11/9/2001, but managed to fuck that up by going off script. Then you elected a certified moron (ask yourself why someone would pay millions to keep school records and military school IQ tests under a gag order) to really seal your fate as a declining shithole. As for being the mother to dead babies, pretty sure biologically that is impossible. Have fun descending into the dark ages again. Perhaps one of those stellar conservative states can pass a law so they can start burning witches to further keep them thar womenfolk in line.

Lol! Why? Because I find huge amusement in watching the daily proceedings from your shithole country. Not that it’s always been a shithole mind you. You use to be looked up to by the world. Seems your slide into shitholedom has excellerated in the past few decades. You once had the support of the entire world after 11/9/2001, but managed to fuck that up by going off script. Then you elected a certified moron (ask yourself why someone would pay millions to keep school records and military school IQ tests under a gag order) to really seal your fate as a declining shithole. As for being the mother to dead babies, pretty sure biologically that is impossible. Have fun descending into the dark ages again. Perhaps one of those stellar conservative states can pass a law so they can start burning witches to further keep them thar womenfolk.

P.S. I see you’ve hit the “retard” button in response. You must think my name is D. Trump Auld son. Put another toaster waffle in and enjoy your breakfast son. It’s another long day breakińg for your shithole.......

 

[RattleHead]

Is that what libtards think, that its just a medical procedure that makes you uninpregnated? Sounds to me like there's a dead baby and a mom involved. Biologically call it whatever is good for your mental, idc. But here some facts for you.
America is still THE superpower. We can nuke a nat off you granny's titty nipple no mater where she's at on earth. Ask tha japs.
Plus we are the only country with girl Scout cookies! Top that!
The leftist fools are fucking this country up, end of story. I could write a list of the deeds done by dems. Biden is a fuckin idiot and making us look weak af tho. And abortion yay or nay doesn't have any bearing on a country being a shit hole. And as for me as a conservative, I could give two shits about abortion. It is a subject to be argued over by more sensitive people than I. Still havent mentioned where your from, friend.

Lol! Why? Because I find huge amusement in watching the daily proceedings from your shithole country. Not that it’s always been a shithole mind you. You use to be looked up to by the world. Seems your slide into shitholedom has excellerated in the past few decades. You once had the support of the entire world after 11/9/2001, but managed to fuck that up by going off script. Then you elected a certified moron (ask yourself why someone would pay millions to keep school records and military school IQ tests under a gag order) to really seal your fate as a declining shithole. As for being the mother to dead babies, pretty sure biologically that is impossible. Have fun descending into the dark ages again. Perhaps one of those stellar conservative states can pass a law so they can start burning witches to further keep them thar womenfolk in line.

P.S. I see you’ve hit the “retard” button in response. You must think my name is D. Trump Auld son. Put another toaster waffle in and enjoy your breakfast son. It’s another long day breakińg for your shithole.......

 

[Hyun]

Your country was headed by a certified retard for 4 years starting in 2016. Now you have a doddering old fool as the leader. The real problems stem from all those retards elected by their retarded constituents in the other parts of your government. Some like that woman senator Lyndsey Graham flip and flop more than a spastic carp landing on an electrified boat deck. His “opinion”, like whether he puts a dick or a twat into his mouth all depends on which way the winds blow that day............

I can agree that America was on a downwards trend, but I would argue it started turning south really bad during the Obama administration. The only ‘good’ thing I can say Obama has done during his terms was the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, but D. Trump arguable killed an even greater threat (Qasem Soleimani). I have plenty of things I didn’t like about D. Trump, but he was objectively a net positive for the US.

 

[HauptArschloch]

I can agree that America was on a downwards trend, but I would argue it started turning south really bad during the Obama administration. The only ‘good’ thing I can say Obama has done during his terms was the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, but D. Trump arguable killed an even greater threat (Qasem Soleimani). I have plenty of things I didn’t like about D. Trump, but he was objectively a net positive for the US.

Have to respectfully disagree on trump. He was a net positive for the ultra wealthy in the u.s., but made the nation look foolish on the world stage. Your middle class actually fell for the shiny object being dangled in their face while the actual lure of tax cuts proved to be only for the wealthy, this causing the middle class to have to pay for their tax cuts themselves. But he made conservatives feel good by attacking the “swarthy foreign scum” (the folks who didn’t look like the were from Norway as he famously said) and reinforcing their world view as American/Caucasian centric. If he were left unchecked, Nero would be fiddling while the nation burned. The pivot point of decline started with the invasion, occupation and loss of face in Irak. Trillions of borrowed Chinese money to prosecute a totally useless and false war (similar to Vlado’s “reasoning” for invading Ukraine) while loosing focus of the real objective of liquidating Bin Laden and his merry band of terrorists. If Irak wasn’t such a drain on resources, manpower, political divisions and absolute failure, the surgical elimination of Bin Laden would have been accomplished during the Bush years. The collapse of the economy in 2007/2008 was exacerbated by the shanigans Of the Wall Street crowd, but based in trillion nos of borrowed debt and worthless printed money. The Bush years were very good for fortifying China and her coffers. And the Trump years were very good for fortifying Russia and Vlado’s sense of invinsability. After all, he had a trusted Allie in the Oval Office. Elect a Conman, don’t be surprised when you get conned. Only the True cult members still don’t see it. Took my father until 1949 to actually wake up to the reality that Onkel Adolf was a cult leader.........

 

[Hyun]

Have to respectfully disagree on trump. He was a net positive for the ultra wealthy in the u.s., but made the nation look foolish on the world stage. Your middle class actually fell for the shiny object being dangled in their face while the actual lure of tax cuts proved to be only for the wealthy, this causing the middle class to have to pay for their tax cuts themselves. But he made conservatives feel good by attacking the “swarthy foreign scum” (the folks who didn’t look like the were from Norway as he famously said) and reinforcing their world view as American/Caucasian centric. If he were left unchecked, Nero would be fiddling while the nation burned. The pivot point of decline started with the invasion, occupation and loss of face in Irak. Trillions of borrowed Chinese money to prosecute a totally useless and false war (similar to Vlado’s “reasoning” for invading Ukraine) while loosing focus of the real objective of liquidating Bin Laden and his merry band of terrorists. If Irak wasn’t such a drain on resources, manpower, political divisions and absolute failure, the surgical elimination of Bin Laden would have been accomplished during the Bush years. The collapse of the economy in 2007/2008 was exacerbated by the shanigans Of the Wall Street crowd, but based in trillion nos of borrowed debt and worthless printed money. The Bush years were very good for fortifying China and her coffers. And the Trump years were very good for fortifying Russia and Vlado’s sense of invinsability. After all, he had a trusted Allie in the Oval Office. Elect a Conman, don’t be surprised when you get conned. Only the True cult members still don’t see it. Took my father until 1949 to actually wake up to the reality that Onkel Adolf was a cult leader.........

I have to ask whats wrong if the wealthy get wealthier? The top 10% pays 70% of our taxes, 2 whenever these super wealthy people go anywhere they enrich that area by providing jobs where there otherwise wouldn’t be any. D. Trump was the first American president that made the US energy independent, (produced alot of our own petrol/oil to the point of excess that we even began to export it) this directly impacts lower/middle class by bringing fuel prices down. This also brought the cost of just about everything down because of it costed less to transport various goods and services. I will concede the point that he was embarrassing on the world stage but I would also say the reason he was so embarrassing was because he was so impulsive and honest on his thoughts which personally felt like a fresh breath of air. I don’t really have much to say after you said ‘But he made conservatives feel good’ mostly because I’m not to familiar with the bush era. But to add some other good things D. Trump has done he’s the first president to make progress with N. Korea, first president in the last couple of decades not to get us into a war, and made V. Putin feel uncomfortable enough not to annex another country.

 

[HauptArschloch]

I have to ask whats wrong if the wealthy get wealthier? The top 10% pays 70% of our taxes, 2 whenever these super wealthy people go anywhere they enrich that area by providing jobs where there otherwise wouldn’t be any. D. Trump was the first American president that made the US energy independent, (produced alot of our own petrol/oil to the point of excess that we even began to export it) this directly impacts lower/middle class by bringing fuel prices down. This also brought the cost of just about everything down because of it costed less to transport various goods and services. I will concede the point that he was embarrassing on the world stage but I would also say the reason he was so embarrassing was because he was so impulsive and honest on his thoughts which personally felt like a fresh breath of air. I don’t really have much to say after you said ‘But he made conservatives feel good’ mostly because I’m not to familiar with the bush era. But to add some other good things D. Trump has done he’s the first president to make progress with N. Korea, first president in the last couple of decades not to get us into a war, and made V. Putin feel uncomfortable enough not to annex another country.

Well, earned wealth is just fine. When wealth and the continued stockpiling Of said wealth is done on the backs of the rest of the population with special interest laws passed by the politicians in the wealthy’s pocket, you really have to ask yourself if it’s really We The People who control your nation. Sounds more like an Oligarchy similar to Vlado’s Russia. If you look behind the smoke and mirrors put up by special interest groups working for the petro chemical companies you’ll see that the u.s. has been energy independent for decades. In a past life I worked on tankers loading oil in Houston, Beaumont and other u.s. ports for EXPORT. This was American drillled oil which the oil companies found more profitable to send overseas than use domestically. These companies aren’t patriotic, support the good of the u.s. at all cost companies. They are greed and profit driven entities blind to loyalty to anyone besides the $$. The Canadian pipeline which was recently canceled wasn’t meant to get Alberta oil to the North American marketplace. The “X” in the pipeline’s name means EXPORT. Specifically export to China. That was the plan. Refine the dirty tar sand oil in the u.s. south and export the result to energy hungry China. Not a drop was meant for the u.s. benzine pumps. If you check, you’ll find there are oil leases available untouched in the states. If the companies can get foreìgn produced oil to substitute for domestic at the regular price, they will. Then turn around and use the public discourse as a weapon to further their agenda politically. Let’s face it, we ALL get played by the corporate mindset and willingness to spend billions to muddy the true nature of their business. As for trump, Vlado was counting on him to weaken NATO to the point of being disfuncional. His invasion was planned for years, but he counted on the u.s. being in disarray and NATO to be in shambles. Don’t think he considered his foray would not ońly strengthen NATO, but turn the world (with the exception of a few rouges and some Traitorous western TV personalities) firmly against Russia and her murderous tactics. As for N. Korea, have to wonder who played who in that situation. Un knew flattery would get him everywhere and used his “big beautiful letter” as proof. As for me, I am not impressed, dazzled, in awe of, or moved one iota by wealth, celebrity, fame, position, rank or any other so called mark of position in society. I owe loyalty to no nation. Having served a stint decades ago in the French Foreign Legion, i have seen first hand what misplaced patriotism, loyalty and baseless claims of “We’re the greatest” Can bring. If it came down to it, I fight for me, family, friends and those around me. The rest is irrelevant. Cheers to you and thanks for the civil discourse.......

 

[Hyun]

Well, earned wealth is just fine. When wealth and the continued stockpiling Of said wealth is done on the backs of the rest of the population with special interest laws passed by the politicians in the wealthy’s pocket, you really have to ask yourself if it’s really We The People who control your nation. Sounds more like an Oligarchy similar to Vlado’s Russia. If you look behind the smoke and mirrors put up by special interest groups working for the petro chemical companies you’ll see that the u.s. has been energy independent for decades. In a past life I worked on tankers loading oil in Houston, Beaumont and other u.s. ports for EXPORT. This was American drillled oil which the oil companies found more profitable to send overseas than use domestically. These companies aren’t patriotic, support the good of the u.s. at all cost companies. They are greed and profit driven entities blind to loyalty to anyone besides the $$. The Canadian pipeline which was recently canceled wasn’t meant to get Alberta oil to the North American marketplace. The “X” in the pipeline’s name means EXPORT. Specifically export to China. That was the plan. Refine the dirty tar sand oil in the u.s. south and export the result to energy hungry China. Not a drop was meant for the u.s. benzine pumps. If you check, you’ll find there are oil leases available untouched in the states. If the companies can get foreìgn produced oil to substitute for domestic at the regular price, they will. Then turn around and use the public discourse as a weapon to further their agenda politically. Let’s face it, we ALL get played by the corporate mindset and willingness to spend billions to muddy the true nature of their business. As for trump, Vlado was counting on him to weaken NATO to the point of being disfuncional. His invasion was planned for years, but he counted on the u.s. being in disarray and NATO to be in shambles. Don’t think he considered his foray would not ońly strengthen NATO, but turn the world (with the exception of a few rouges and some Traitorous western TV personalities) firmly against Russia and her murderous tactics. As for N. Korea, have to wonder who played who in that situation. Un knew flattery would get him everywhere and used his “big beautiful letter” as proof. As for me, I am not impressed, dazzled, in awe of, or moved one iota by wealth, celebrity, fame, position, rank or any other so called mark of position in society. I owe loyalty to no nation. Having served a stint decades ago in the French Foreign Legion, i have seen first hand what misplaced patriotism, loyalty and baseless claims of “We’re the greatest” Can bring. If it came down to it, I fight for me, family, friends and those around me. The rest is irrelevant. Cheers to you and thanks for the civil discourse.......

Bravo this was actually pretty pleasant to read. From the sounds of things you have loads of life experience and some boots on the ground experiences whether it be from working on oil or the FFR. All I can base my opinions on is from government collected data and what I read/watch from a variety of news outlets. I have no idea if your claims about harvesting oil specifically for China are true or not I wasn’t there or ever heard of this claim until now so not really sure what to think of it. I agree oligarchies can suck a dick. The way I understood it was that it was cheaper/more profitable to send the oil away then figuring out storage because we produced so much of it. I know that there are infact oil leases but it seemed more like due to government interference that private businesses couldn’t actually do anything with them. Yes of course Russia was planning on invading the Ukraine for years if not decades, it was the bread basket for Russia pre WWII. (Btw you reminded me that Trump got some of the countries apart of NATO to contribute their fair share which I feel safe enough to say is a good thing). Trump basically called Kim fat when they met and months later you can see that Kim slimmed down, not really sure if I’d score that as a point but the more you know I guess? I happen to believe that the US is the greatest country, because its the freest country. I think it could’ve been better if we stuck to our roots and listened to our fore fathers. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You’re also right you shouldn’t be blindlessly patriotic thats just ignorant. I definitely get some of my patriotism from being a veteran, but I truly do believe in the constitution and things like the federalist papers.

Bravo this was actually pretty pleasant to read. From the sounds of things you have loads of life experience and some boots on the ground experiences whether it be from working on oil or the FFR. All I can base my opinions on is from government collected data and what I read/watch from a variety of news outlets. I have no idea if your claims about harvesting oil specifically for China are true or not I wasn’t there or ever heard of this claim until now so not really sure what to think of it. I agree oligarchies can suck a dick. The way I understood it was that it was cheaper/more profitable to send the oil away then figuring out storage because we produced so much of it. I know that there are infact oil leases but it seemed more like due to government interference that private businesses couldn’t actually do anything with them. Yes of course Russia was planning on invading the Ukraine for years if not decades, it was the bread basket for Russia pre WWII. (Btw you reminded me that Trump got some of the countries apart of NATO to contribute their fair share which I feel safe enough to say is a good thing). Trump basically called Kim fat when they met and months later you can see that Kim slimmed down, not really sure if I’d score that as a point but the more you know I guess? I happen to believe that the US is the greatest country, because its the freest country. I think it could’ve been better if we stuck to our roots and listened to our fore fathers. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You’re also right you shouldn’t be blindlessly patriotic thats just ignorant. I definitely get some of my patriotism from being a veteran, but I truly do believe in the constitution and things like the federalist papers.

But to get to the original topic, thoughts on abortion?

 

[RattleHead]

So your from Africa?