Hezbollah Warns Israel (1 Viewer)

[Weeping Tom]

The Romans renamed it Palestina,then after some time it was part of the Ottoman empire,after England carved it up after WW2 it was called Palestine again,the name the Romans used to insult the Jews after sacking Jerusalem and destroying their holy temple,that's what they called Philistine" was "Palestine" it was an affront and my point is that name was given by Romans and not a native name,it was Judah before it was Palestina was my point..My point is the Jews have a history there,not the Jordanians that are called Palestinians. You weren't paying attention I guess and I'm tired of repeating myself.

I'm sorry but as the term Palestina is used in the Old Testament, you'll have to show me why the translation was wrong not just suggest that it was.
As I have said before, the historical basis of bloodlines is no excuse for mistreating people in any case.

 

[Wombat]

I'm sorry but as the term Palestina is used in the Old Testament, you'll have to show me why the translation was wrong not just suggest that it was.
As I have said before, the historical basis of bloodlines is no excuse for mistreating people in any case.

I guess I just know a little more on that subject,it's well known that Philistine has been mistranslated to "Palestine"...We will just have to disagree on that.
I agree,that is no excuse to blow oneself up on a crowded bus or launch rockets at an Israeli suburb from a Gaza school yard to enable the "Palestinians" to shake dead babies for the news cameras.

 

[Weeping Tom]

I guess I just know a little more on that subject,it's well known that Philistine has been mistranslated to "Palestine"...We will just have to disagree on that.
I agree,that is no excuse to blow oneself up on a crowded bus or launch rockets at an Israeli suburb from a Gaza school yard to enable the "Palestinians" to shake dead babies for the news cameras.

I have spoken to hardline Zionists that have had strong cogent arguments for their position, your position on this is, however, quite weak.
I showed you where Palestina was used in the Old Testament, you say that this is just a mistranslation, perhaps you are right. Explain which Greek words were mistranslated please, explain how this mistake was made and hasn't yet been rectified (after all, you claim to know more on this subject).
Nobody, but a fool, would argue that the Palestinians have done no wrong (let alone any other nation). But that was never the question and the acceptance of that fact does not mean anything within this discussion.

 

[Wombat]

I have spoken to hardline Zionists that have had strong cogent arguments for their position, your position on this is, however, quite weak.
I showed you where Palestina was used in the Old Testament, you say that this is just a mistranslation, perhaps you are right. Explain which Greek words were mistranslated please, explain how this mistake was made and hasn't yet been rectified (after all, you claim to know more on this subject).
Nobody, but a fool, would argue that the Palestinians have done no wrong (let alone any other nation). But that was never the question and the acceptance of that fact does not mean anything within this discussion.

I can say yours is quite weak as well.
Greek isn't the only language involved in all the books of the old testament(Torah). That doesn't make sense to ask which Greek word was mistranslated sir. Every language used from beginning to end has corrupted the translations. I don't expect you to read the links I provided but they would have answered your questions quicker than this never ending circle that has been going on.

 

[Weeping Tom]

I can say yours is quite weak as well.
Greek isn't the only language involved in all the books of the old testament(Torah). That doesn't make sense to ask which Greek word was mistranslated sir. Every language used from beginning to end has corrupted the translations. I don't expect you to read the links I provided but they would have answered your questions quicker than this never ending circle that has been going on.

The KJV, you were the one who mentioned it, was translated from the Greek, at least that was my understanding.
I'd rather links from unbiased sources. As previously stated.

 

[Wombat]

I have spoken to hardline Zionists that have had strong cogent arguments for their position, your position on this is, however, quite weak.
I showed you where Palestina was used in the Old Testament, you say that this is just a mistranslation, perhaps you are right. Explain which Greek words were mistranslated please, explain how this mistake was made and hasn't yet been rectified (after all, you claim to know more on this subject).
Nobody, but a fool, would argue that the Palestinians have done no wrong (let alone any other nation). But that was never the question and the acceptance of that fact does not mean anything within this discussion.

The KJV was translated to English around 1611,I have no clue what languages and what translators made the mistakes but it was obviously after the Romans named it Palestina because that's how THEY pronounced Philistne,but they were wrong and had no clue that Philistnes were not native to that land,the Phoenicians were,let's just call it Phoenicia then. Only the Romans and the English have ever called that place "Palestine/Palestina".

 

[Weeping Tom]

The KJV was translated to English around 1611,I have no clue what languages and what translators made the mistakes but it was obviously after the Romans named it Palestina because that's how THEY pronounced Philistne,but they were wrong and had no clue that Philistnes were not native to that land,the Phoenicians were,let's just call it Phoenicia then. Only the Romans and the English have ever called that place "Palestine/Palestina".

No, let us call it Palestine, that is what the entire world calls it, let's not be eccentric.
Your argument seems to be based on three basic presumptions: Arabs are violent and intractable apes; Palestinians had no existence before the Jews; There is holy prophecy that dictates that Israel has been given to the Jews.
Do you actually think this is a reasonable argument, and one that allows inhumanities and genocide to be perpetrated upon a people?

 

[Wombat]

The KJV, you were the one who mentioned it, was translated from the Greek, at least that was my understanding.
I'd rather links from unbiased sources. As previously stated.

The Greek was translated from many other languages before it was translated from Greek to English is my point good sir.

 

[Wombat]

No, let us call it Palestine, that is what the entire world calls it, let's not be eccentric.
Your argument seems to be based on three basic presumptions: Arabs are violent and intractable apes; Palestinians had no existence before the Jews; There is holy prophecy that dictates that Israel has been given to the Jews.
Do you actually think this is a reasonable argument, and one that allows inhumanities and genocide to be perpetrated upon a people?

You are quite right on your assumptions,very good old chap.

What inhumanities and genocide are we talking about? Do tell.. Is it the atrocities between Hamas and Fatah and what they have done to each other,or is it the Ramallah killings of innocent Jews in the police station where they stomped and tore out organs of the dead Jews and displayed them in the windows? Or Kantar bashing in a 4 yr old Israeli baby girls head in with his rifle butt after killing her family?

 

[Weeping Tom]

You are quite right on your assumptions,very good old chap.

What inhumanities and genocide are we talking about? Do tell.. Is it the atrocities between Hamas and Fatah and what they have done to each other,or is it the Ramallah killings of innocent Jews in the police station where they stomped and tore out organs of the dead Jews and displayed them in the windows? Or Kantar bashing in a 4 yr old Israeli baby girls head in with his rifle butt after killing her family?

Old chap, haha.
You don't think indiscriminate bombings of civilians is inhumane? What of sanctions on educational and medical products? Assassinations of people thought to be criminals, but killed without trial, is that acceptable for a first world nation?
I think you would agree that all these things were wrong if it were not Israel responsible for them.
There are rabid extremists on both sides, so your answer is to keep the cycle going? Both sides have much to avenge.

 

[Wombat]

Old chap, haha.
You don't think indiscriminate bombings of civilians is inhumane? What of sanctions on educational and medical products? Assassinations of people thought to be criminals, but killed without trial, is that acceptable for a first world nation?
I think you would agree that all these things were wrong if it were not Israel responsible for them.
There are rabid extremists on both sides, so your answer is to keep the cycle going? Both sides have much to avenge.

Indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian targets(by Palestinians and Hezbollah),the IDF goes out of their way to hit miltary targets and hit commanders in their cars when they are clear of civilians. There are no sanctions on school books only materials that can be used in war,Mossad does their homework and takes out top commanders very surgical. But the Palis are such animals so they are allowed to execute suspected spies for Israel without a trial and torture rival faction members? I think you are the racist because you excuse the Palestinians behavior but hold Israelis to a higher standard. I rest my case.

 

[Weeping Tom]

Indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian targets,the IDF goes out of their way to hit miltary targets and hit commanders in their cars when they are clear of civilians. There are no sanctions on school books only materials that can be used in war,Mossad does their homework and takes out top commanders very surgical. But the Palis are such animals so they are allowed to execute suspected spies for Israel without a trial and torture rival faction members? I think you are the racist because you excuse the Palestinians behavior but hold Israelis to a higher standard. I rest my case.

I think both the Israelis and Palestinians who commit crimes against humanity need to be charged and punished. Both sides are behaving monstrously. Call it racism if you wish.
There have been both medical and educational supplies stopped in the past. There have been civilian victims of Israeli strikes.
One mans bad actions do not justify another bad man's actions.

 

[Wombat]

I think both the Israelis and Palestinians who commit crimes against humanity need to be charged and punished. Both sides are behaving monstrously. Call it racism if you wish.
There have been both medical and educational supplies stopped in the past. There have been civilian victims of Israeli strikes.
One mans bad actions do not justify another bad man's actions.

There has been civilian casualties from IAF but it is not intended..The Hamas target Israeli civilians to instill terror as they are terrorists. Israel is just trying to defend herself under a UN/socialist global microscope. I'm glad the UN global socialists don't like Israel..Tells me I'm on the right side.

 

[KingFate]

There has been civilian casualties from IAF but it is not intended..The Hamas target Israeli civilians to instill terror as they are terrorists. Israel is just trying to defend herself under a UN/socialist global microscope. I'm glad the UN global socialists don't like Israel..Tells me I'm on the right side.

What about the use of White Phosphorus by the IAF? It's nearly as bad as Agent Orange.

 

[Weeping Tom]

There has been civilian casualties from IAF but it is not intended..The Hamas target Israeli civilians to instill terror as they are terrorists. Israel is just trying to defend herself under a UN/socialist global microscope. I'm glad the UN global socialists don't like Israel..Tells me I'm on the right side.

I think you'll find quite a few countries that aren't Socialist in the UN.
For a long time the Western world has funded Israel and helped it to become the nation it is, in every way wishing it well, I think this is drawing to an end and that there shall be in the next decade Israeli citizens brought to stand trial for war crimes. I hope Israel will do the right thing on her own initiative rather than be forced to.
The West has been Israel's friend, that this friendship is now strained has nothing to do with Socialism, it has been the actions of Israels Govt.

 

[Wombat]

What about the use of White Phosphorus by the IAF? It's nearly as bad as Agent Orange.

I don't know why white phosphorus is illegal in a war as well as hollow point bullets but land mines and IED's,suicide bombers are used by the Hamas and Hezbollah. White phosphorus was originally used to mark a spot for artillery or bombing but it burned so nice that it made a great weapon..Agent orange was dropped to defoliate jungles and caused major health problems to humans.

 

[Wombat]

I think you'll find quite a few countries that aren't Socialist in the UN.
For a long time the Western world has funded Israel and helped it to become the nation it is, in every way wishing it well, I think this is drawing to an end and that there shall be in the next decade Israeli citizens brought to stand trial for war crimes. I hope Israel will do the right thing on her own initiative rather than be forced to.
The West has been Israel's friend, that this friendship is now strained has nothing to do with Socialism, it has been the actions of Israels Govt.

Saudi Arabia is a very good friend of the west and they are very intolerant and fund genocide in north Africa,the west has helped it become the nation it is through oil. Does Israel behead people or beat women for being out alone in public or for someone simply wearing a crucifix or possessing a Bible? You can have a beer or a glass of wine in Israel,can you enjoy that in Saudi Arabia? The west helps out the Saud's as well if not more.

 

[Weeping Tom]

Saudi Arabia is a very good friend of the west and they are very intolerant and fund genocide in north Africa,the west has helped it become the nation it is through oil. Does Israel behead people or beat women for being out alone in public or for someone simply wearing a crucifix or possessing a Bible? You can have a beer or a glass of wine in Israel,can you enjoy that in Saudi Arabia? The west helps out the Saud's as well if not more.

What Saudi law dictates has nothing to do with war crimes. In some countries drug law is lax, in others it is harsh. Different nations have different laws and different cultural beliefs. Some nations have Capital Punishment, most do not.
In another discussion I would agree that some of these laws are not good, but this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[Wombat]

I think it does,you said the west supports Israel and Israel commits inhumanities and genocide(you say). Liberals like to side with tyrannical regimes,they envy the power,they are fascists and loath personal freedoms. Of course they will side with sharia imposing tyrants. The Saudis have committed war crimes in Yemen and in proxy wars rabidly with Iran and Syria, north Africa and building mosques in the west for a caliphate.

 

[Weeping Tom]

I think it does,you said the west supports Israel and Israel commits inhumanities and genocide. Liberals like to side with tyrannical regimes,they envy the power,they are fascists and loath personal freedoms. Of course they will side with sharia imposing tyrants.

First Socialists and now Liberals, what is this about? You think there's some sort of world wide conspiracy against Israel by Western woolly Liberals?
I don't really understand all these claims of Socialism, Liberalism and Fascism, these words have meaning they're not just to be used as insults.