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Gunluvr

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None of it matters since ISIS depopulated the towns they captured. I just don't see Shias and Kurds laying their asses on the line for a long time in Northern Iraq and Syria with no support except "airstrikes".
 

McM

ARSELING
There are some surprising people who want to see American bombs dropping on Iraq again. Of course, it is no surprise at all to see the coalescence of a pro-war sentiment in the Atlanticist wing of the political class. Even Jack Straw’s extraordinary bluster against Barack Obama’s “indecisiveness” (thank God for his “decisiveness” back in 2003) hardly raises more than an eyebrow.

Yet, beyond the Westminster spear-carriers for American empire, there is a muted, hardly enthusiastic, but nonetheless real sentiment in parts of the left. It runs something like this: “I marched against the war on Iraq, I detest US domination, but in this case I have no problem with American airstrikes.” Why?

The answer is Islamic State. Isis goes to your head and gets under your skin; it leaves you feeling infested. Back in the days when one didn’t know much about the jihadis carrying out beheadings, it was possible to think that they were just – as David Cameron has denounced them – “monsters”, savages, beasts. Or, if one were on the anti-war left, one could simply point out that there was, after all, a war on. A brutal occupation produces a brutal insurgency: case closed.

But that argument was always vulgar, and it would be even more vulgar now to say that Isis’s success can be explained by reference to an occupation that no longer persists. Further, the shift in communication technology and strategy adds a new dimension. Whereas “al-Qaida in the Land of the Two Rivers” communicated principally in the medium of shaky videos with hostages reading bombastic messages from their host-killers, Isis is tweeting, often with a wry, sardonic edge that makes them sound like New York hipsters turned salafists.

And whereas the jihadi ultras of the “war on terror” era were an unpopular, marginalised minority within the Iraqi resistance, always fought and opposed by the mainstream of the Sunni Arab insurgency, Isis succeeds because of the support it enjoys within much of the population it seeks to rule. And this support, be it noted, is gained on the basis of vicious sectarianism.

The unutterable, ostentatious horror of Isis’s actions – the latest of which is the beheading of the British aid worker David Haines – and the way in which it actively solicits disgust, now has to be reconciled with the knowledge that these combatants are educated, tech-savvy and enjoy a popular base. The mainstream press doesn’t offer much help in interpreting this.

Take the character who has been referred to as “Jihad John”, the man supposedly behind a number of the killings. The immediate dilemma faced by the anglophone press is explaining how a British person “from a good area” could be tempted to participate in such grim spectacles. The desperate search for motives, sifting hopelessly through his rap lyrics for clues, is indicative of how misplaced this approach is.

And, of course, in the absence of explanation, we are very quick to believe anything we hear about Isis. For example, the story of 40,000 Iraqis stranded and starving on a mountain – invoked by supporters of intervention – turned out to be exaggerated. The Isis siege, far from requiring the flexing of US muscle, was broken by Kurdish peshmerga.

Given the paucity of political explanations for Isis’s racing success, and knowing only what Isis rule means for the majority of inhabitants of the incipient “Islamic state”, American or British bombs seem to offer a tempting short cut. This is what has always given “humanitarian intervention” its compelling ideological power: while we as citizens watch in horror, we know that there are powerful people in the world who could stop this without breaking a sweat.

Such a stance, of course, involves taking great risks with the lives of other people one is in no position to consult, by urging on a military and political authority over which we have at most extremely exiguous checks. Worse, the illusion that there is a simple techno-military solution to grave humanitarian exigencies is necessarily inherently naive about the social basis of war, and therefore about the potential for even the best-intentioned intervention to go horribly wrong.

It is easy to think that if Isis members were identified and vaporised, the murder would end. However, Isis would be nowhere if it weren’t for the generalised rejection by Sunni Iraqis of the sectarian political authority in Baghdad.

This is, after all, a state that was built by the US occupiers on the basis of the more sectarian Shia religious parties and their death squads. Trained and deployed by the US, they end up being worse torturers than Saddam Hussein. The sectarian civil war that gripped Iraq around 2006 was precipitated to a large extent by this development. The promise that the George W Bush administration made to Sunni groups who joined the counter-insurgency in the context of the “surge” was that their interests would no longer be excluded. That promise was not fulfilled, and President al-Maliki’s repression of Sunni Arabs is now driving an insurgency against his rule, from which Isis is gaining.

Airstrikes can destroy bodies, but they can’t destroy political antagonisms. Nor would a renewed occupation solve the problem. The formerly occupying coalition which constructed that authority are in no position – even if they had the ability – to replace it with something plural and democratic. There simply are no shortcuts. The illusion that there are, or could be, is one of the reasons why people were led to war in Iraq in 2003.

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pleman111

Fresh Meat
Sometime,I think I should go to joind Pesmerga and fight ,kill devil Isis.I am so boring to play just only computer game ,just want to trigger real AK47,RPG7,M4a1,but just I take a look at myself ...eieiei I found I sould only prey better.
 
I am curious what is going to happen now with Obama urging congress for war powers in the fight against ISIS.
He wants ground troops in Iraq engaged in combat, even if small in number. Without them it's unlikely ISIS core territory can be captured. When American soldiers suffer casualties Obama doesn't want to be blamed by congressmen for sending American soldiers to their deaths, so he's making Congress sign their names to his decision. This is a must for the Democratic party who do no want to be pinned with "Obama's War" should things turn south and Republicans use it to their advantage in upcoming elections. If the Republicans get on board with it, they can't criticize the decision later.

When American ground troops return to combat in Iraq it will likely result in the temporary but uneasy capture of key ISIS cities. Mosul is the big prize and it's likely many neighborhoods would fall to an American lead ground assault. The US would quickly hand over administrative duties to the local Shia, Kurds, and Sunni collaborators depending on which ethnicity or sect is predominant in each area captured. ISIS will be back to ground zero in terms of their effort to build a state, they'll be back to managing an insurgent campaign. That's fine for them, they'll be flush with donations, volunteers, and sympathy just to be seen fighting the United States.

Whoever is in charge of coordinating ISIS actions is a genius. They captured Sunni Iraq first because they knew the US wouldn't intervene to help a Shia Islamist Iranian proxy government in Baghdad to hold ground that American oil firms aren't even interested in. Then they attacked the Iraqi Kurds because they knew the Kurds would threaten to kick out Exxon if the US didn't come to their rescue. Then just as Turkey was getting set to crush ISIS, Turkey being the only country that can really hurt them or any of the Sunni Jihadists in the Mashriq, they pounced on an insignificant little town... Kobane and insisted on relentlessly attacking it so that the Turkish military would absolutely refuse to help Kurds in any further action against ISIS.

Without Turkish help the US turned to the Arab monarchs, and then ISIS embarrassed the crowns by assassinating a Saudi general and burning to death a Jordani pilot... resulting in widespread public opposition to the anti-ISIS war effort.

In the meantime, ISIS Sunni rivals in Syria are being crushed by Assad and ISIS such that if the US wants to fight ISIS in Syria in a serious way it'd be in an alliance with Assad, something totally unacceptable to Israel and NATO because it would aid Russia, Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah.

Lastly, ISIS has set up in the Sinai, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Algeria and Yemen. The Sinai and Libya branches are fully operational and hold territory, with intentions and good prospects of expanding. Even if the US were to go in and kick all ass from Mosul to Ramadi to Fallujah to Tikrit... and no ISIS dare show his face in fear... that doesn't do a thing to stop ISIS beyond Iraq.

For the United States to stop ISIS now it would have to commit World War Two level troop deployments across the Muslim world and sustain massive casualties for decades.

I say stay out of it. The Mexican Drug Cartels are just as brutal, rich, and are more dangerous to the American homeland. Nobody wants to bomb them. When an area of the world is burning, let it burn. In time they might even come around and beg for an alliance with America... like Vietnam.
 

Mtnflyer

Border Undesirable
A fine collection of photographs. I especially like photo 5, 2nd group, which clearly shows a quantity of this crap being loaded up for the landfill trip.
 

Gunluvr

Fresh Meat
The result of an Iraqi military outpost being over run by the IS.

Baiji, Iraq, January 12, 2015

1. First we have 2 men (probably out of uniform Iraqi officers/soldiers) being executed by IS members after the battle.
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Then we have the bodies of a few dead Iraqi soldiers at the same base, post battle.

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2. And nope, I didn't add the kitties.
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5. This guy was probably executed with a shot to the head and partial beheading (same guy as above pic)
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AKs should not be used for close up executions, they're just too powerful. A basic 9mm will suffice without blowing brains everywhere. I understand some guys are sadists(I served with those types) and get off on it but I've always preferred to let artillery, bombs and mini-guns do the heavy work.
 
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