U.S. privately asks Ukraine to show it’s open to negotiate with Russia (2 Viewers)

[92.eth]

An abrupt end to the fighting is possible, much sooner than you think actually. China and the East gaining an ally in Germany is the canary in the coal mine moment. Post-bubble market rally will likely follow from a pause in rate hikes, and balancing of energy costs

the semi conductor war (china) is next. This is will take time probably Q4 2023

The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions.

The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.

The discussions illustrate how complex the Biden administration’s position on Ukraine has become, as U.S. officials publicly vow to support Kyiv with massive sums of aid “for as long as it takes” while hoping for a resolution to the conflict that over the past eight months has taken a punishing toll on the world economy and triggered fears of nuclear war.


While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.
“Ukraine fatigue is a real thing for some of our partners,” said one U.S. official who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations between Washington and Kyiv.
Serhiy Nikiforov, a spokesman for Zelensky, did not respond to a request for comment.

In the United States, polls show eroding support among Republicans for continuing to finance Ukraine’s military at current levels, suggesting the White House may face resistance following Tuesday’s midterm elections as it seeks to continue a security assistance program that has delivered Ukraine the largest such annual sum since the end of the Cold War.

In a trip to Kyiv on Friday, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the United States supported a just and lasting peace for Ukraine and said U.S. support would continue regardless of domestic politics. “We fully intend to ensure that the resources are there as necessary and that we’ll get votes from both sides of the aisle to make that happen,” he said during a briefing.
Inside the growing Republican fissure on Ukraine aid
Eagerness for a potential resolution to the war has intensified as Ukrainian forces recapture occupied territory, pushing closer to areas prized by Putin. Those begin with Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, and include cities along the Azov Sea that now provide him a “land bridge” to the Ukrainian peninsula. Zelensky has vowed to fight for every inch of Ukrainian territory.


Veteran diplomat Alexander Vershbow, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary general of NATO, said the United States could not afford to be completely “agnostic” about how and when the war is concluded, given the U.S. interest in ensuring European security and deterring further Kremlin aggression beyond Russia’s borders.
“If the conditions become more propitious for negotiations, I don’t think the administration is going to be passive,” Vershbow said. “But it is ultimately the Ukrainians doing the fighting, so we’ve got to be careful not to second-guess them.”

Full: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

 

[GOTTOFORGET]

i dunno what you talking about but the show hasnt even started yet

 

[92.eth]

i dunno what you talking about but the show hasnt even started yet

cool what show is coming on?

 

[CornHub]

i dunno what you talking about but the show hasnt even started yet

Yes oh wise one; educate us.

 

[Jon N.]

An abrupt end to the fighting is possible, much sooner than you think actually. China and the East gaining an ally in Germany is the canary in the coal mine moment. Post-bubble market rally will likely follow from a pause in rate hikes, and balancing of energy costs

the semi conductor war (china) is next. This is will take time probably Q4 2023



Full: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

Bidens administration is kissing Russia's ass so they can get oil and stuff again. and seeing were the main ones supplying them with weapons, we are already in the war and all it can do is escalate if Putin has taken enough and says fuck it. (y'all can figure out the rest) J/S

 

[D.O.A.]

market rally will likely follow from a pause in rate hikes,

Nope, rates will continue to rise. The end result rate in 2023 will be higher than expected. There's no pivot. It will dump the market again on the next CPI report Nov 10.

 

[92.eth]

Nope, rates will continue to rise. The end result rate in 2023 will be higher than expected. There's no pivot. It will dump the market again on the next CPI report Nov 10.

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should have said "pauses" in rate hikes but there's an internal struggle between the fed and congress on hikes and all of this leads to them flooding the world with fiat. Massive QE on the horizon

 

[Guipago]

I'd say if Russia removed all its troops & came up with a rebuilding program for the damage it's caused then Ukraine 'Might' be open to talks, you are forgetting orc troops have been murdering, raping & torturing their way across Ukraine, there are plenty of photo's on this forum to prove this, it might mean nothing to you & you are not on the receiving end of orc aggression, But, it sure as shit means something to the Ukrainian People.

 

[92.eth]

you are forgetting orc troops have been murdering, raping & torturing their way across Ukraine, there are plenty of photo's on this forum to prove this, it might mean nothing to you & you are not on the receiving end of orc aggression, But, it sure as shit means something to the Ukrainian People.

nice

 

[D.O.A.]

should have said "pauses" in rate hikes but there's an internal struggle between the fed and congress on hikes and all of this leads to them flooding the world with fiat. Massive QE on the horizon

The Fed won't bend over this current guy is shades of Volcker, the guy who jacked rates up in the 80's and triggered a recession. The futures are now betting their money on 4-5% target by the end of 2023 from that last Fed speech. That would mean no more money printing until at least well into 2024. Supply and demand is well out of whack now and unless something gives, the cost of everything will continue to increase. The only solution is to stop people borrowing money and spending it, or help them lose their job. There is no other way out. This is where the Fed are going now. The masses will pay for this, not the rich fucks. We will struggle to pay our ever increasing bills, the % cost of borrowing money will be nuts, you'll stop buying shit, that cafe you buy your $6 coffees from will close. They'll be unemployed. Less shops buying coffee. Now coffee is cheaper on market. Can't borrow as much? House prices drop. Rinse repeat with every single aspect of your life. Welcome to a global recession in late 2023/ early 2024.

When no one is left buying jpg's (NFT's) as a form of currency with their actual currency Jpow will know his work is done. We all get bled like pigs now.

 

[Graziani]

I dont have economic ressession. I eat file mignon.

 

[D.O.A.]

I dont have economic ressession. I eat file mignon.

Brasil will never run out of cows or flip flops 👍

Just like Australia.

 

[Graziani]

Brasil will never run out of cows or flip flops 👍

Just like Australia.

 

[92.eth]

The Fed won't bend over this current guy is shades of Volcker, the guy who jacked rates up in the 80's and triggered a recession.

Jpow is Volcker on steroids. But remember that when there is confusion in the message, the signal runs against the overall sentiment and trend. for the first time in a long time jpow is hawkish & dovish so all he's doing right now is dog whistling for his friends to buy the dip.

this is the critical moment,

China-Germany alliance
China opening up
Fed-Congress

Lower rates before the end of the year

When no one is left buying jpg's (NFT's) as a form of currency with their actual currency Jpow will know his work is done. We all get bled like pigs now.

don't let them steal any of your assets

 

[D.O.A.]

Jpow is Volcker on steroids. But remember that when there is confusion in the message, the signal runs against the overall sentiment and trend. for the first time in a long time jpow is hawkish & dovish so all he's doing right now is dog whistling for his friends to buy the dip.

this is the critical moment,

China-Germany alliance
China opening up
Fed-Congress

Lower rates before the end of the year



don't let them steal any of your assets

They might go down to like .50bps. maybe you're right and the .75bps raises are done for now but I personally don't think the pain ends before 2024. Just a side note I see on the news here hundreds of bank branches are closing up, meanwhile in America entire loan departments are being layed off. It's happening, the rates are already affecting borrowing capacity for the normies looking to buy a overpriced home. Banks are laying off workers because the low interest gravy train is over.

I'm long on certain stocks so I'm not concerned about losses or selling into a bear market. Patience is it's own reward. And it's cheap to average down catch a falling knife. Mining and medical stocks are my fetish.

 

[mrln]

is it because of oil?
oh brandon....

 

[92.eth]

fighting starting to wind down & europe looking pretty good once more. Biden is meeting with Xi and the geopolitics are starting to soften.
Fed pivot coming. US not the most important option worth considering and that sentiment is gaining momentum, and a recession on delay.

Year ahead looks good for markets

 

[information]

I'd say if Russia removed all its troops & came up with a rebuilding program for the damage it's caused then Ukraine 'Might' be open to talks, you are forgetting orc troops have been murdering, raping & torturing their way across Ukraine, there are plenty of photo's on this forum to prove this, it might mean nothing to you & you are not on the receiving end of orc aggression, But, it sure as shit means something to the Ukrainian People.

ukraine can give it meaning as much as they want and put on as much angry faces as they want


if nato says no more weapons for u the war will be over in a month

 

[Zargon the great]

Oh really? While at the same time faggotizing our military with unreasonable covid vacs mandates and giving a way the bulk of our military supplies. I don't believe a Goddamn word of it.

 

[IExist]

Translation: We're all going to die.